Dear Axel, your thoughts are correct - they should be adapted. The shift in paper white and in gradation from F39 to F51 will have an effect on surface-finished prints too. There just hasn't been a real demand from the market to start the effort. This means there is no schedule yet. But we will discuss this, especially if more people are backing the request. Perhaps you, or someone else who uses the profiles in production, can comment on the current matte laminate profile. It has been created from many test prints at a time when matt laminate films were still very matte, so that the laminated prints were lacking depth. Is the matte effect too strong for today's production? Best regards Hanno -- Dr. Hanno Hoffstadt Color Scientist ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Markbronner Weg 6 D-89077 Ulm Germany phone: +49 731 1406 4651 GMG GmbH & Co. KG Moempelgarder Weg 10 72072 Tuebingen Germany Phone: +49 7071 93874-0 Fax: +49 7071 93874-22 mail to: hanno.hoffstadt@gmgcolor.com<mailto:hanno.hoffstadt@gmgcolor.com> www.gmgcolor.com<http://www.gmgcolor.com/> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GMG is a leading developer and supplier of high-end color management software solutions. Our customers span a wide range of industries and application areas including advertising agencies, prepress houses, offset, flexo, packaging, digital, and large-format printers as well as gravure printers. GMG GmbH & Co. KG. Registered Office: Tuebingen. Court of Registration: Stuttgart Local Court, No. HRA 381463. General Partner: GMG Verwaltung GmbH. Registered Office: Tuebingen. Court of Registration: Stuttgart Local Court, No. HRB 382505. Managing Directors: Ian Scott, Joerg Weihing, Robert Weihing CONFIDENTIALITY The information in this e-mail and in any attachments is confidential and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. It is intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please telephone or e-mail the sender and delete this message and any attachment from your system. Am 06.02.2017 um 09:12 schrieb Axel Robert <axel.robert@ubisoft.com<mailto:axel.robert@ubisoft.com>>: Dear all, I would like to obtain more information about the following ICC profiles: PSO_Coated_v2_300_Glossy_laminate_eci.icc PSO_Coated_v2_300_Matte_laminate_eci.icc I partially switched from F39 to F51 and F47 to F52. But I still use the former (aka F49 and F50). Should I take into account they also will change since the new printing conditions? Are they still relevant? Or should they be adapted? And if so, when or how? Thank you for your answer. Regards. Axel Axel Robert | Prepress Manager Ubisoft EMEA |Manufacturing 28, rue Armand Carrel | 93100 Montreuil | France Tel: +33(0)1 48 18 52 03 | Skype: axelprepress _______________________________________________ ECI-EN mailing list ECI-EN@lists.callassoftware.com<mailto:ECI-EN@lists.callassoftware.com> http://lists.callassoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/eci-en

Dear Hanno, Axel, Paul, and all We also have been using these profiles for quite a long, specially for the covers of high quality printed products like wedding catalogs, automotive magazines, travel guides and art/museum books. We are more than happy with the results. Not sure about if the matte effect is too strong in today's, it is difficult to judge and I haven't noticed.- Anyway it is demonstrable that it's better to make the conversion that don't doing it. Otherwise the color shift is too much appreciable. Just for the record, we use the device link profiles supplied by GMG, but we also deal with a couple of customers that they take very much care of their own products, and they are using directly the profiles from the ECI to make really good color conversions from AdobeRGB to the Glossy/Matte laminate profiles. It is a matter of time that they will ask for the new profiles based on the new standard. I would also take this opportunity to ask a similar question: Does anyone knows if there will be also a substitute for FOGRA43 [PSO Coated NPscreen ISO12647 (ECI)] ? Thank you, kind regards ferran ________________________________ De: eci-en-bounces(a)lists.callassoftware.com [mailto:eci-en-bounces@lists.callassoftware.com] En nombre de Axel Robert Enviado el: Monday, February 06, 2017 12:30 PM Para: eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com Asunto: Re: [ECI-EN] eci offset profiles surface finished. Dear Hanno, I especially indeed used the matte laminate profile for two years on several Collector edition packaging. The results are very interesting and they surprised many of our printers who have to deal with these issues until now. We did some pre-productions, with and without it, on the same duet paper-ink. The only difference has been the re separation with a different DVL. The results are unambiguous depending on whether the profile we used. Without this profile, the images appear flat with no contrast and they are a little bit shaded. With the profile, however, the images are very close from the contract proof in term of sharpness and color. They even gain on global visual quality. So, it has been, for us, a very qualitative leap. That's why I look forward for its update. We need to move forward to be coherent with the "new" F51 followed by our printer and the new ISO 12647-7:2016. If not, we run the risk to be again inconsistent and not to be able to anticipate. Regards, Axel Axel Robert | Prepress Manager Ubisoft EMEA |Manufacturing 28, rue Armand Carrel | 93100 Montreuil | France Tel: +33(0)1 48 18 52 03 | Skype: axelprepress From: &lt;eci-en-bounces(a)lists.callassoftware.com&gt; on behalf of Hanno Hoffstadt &lt;Hanno.Hoffstadt(a)gmgcolor.com&gt; Reply-To: &quot;eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com&quot; &lt;eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com&gt; Date: lundi 6 février 2017 11:51 To: &quot;eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com&quot; &lt;eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com&gt; Subject: Re: [ECI-EN] eci offset profiles surface finished. Dear Axel, your thoughts are correct - they should be adapted. The shift in paper white and in gradation from F39 to F51 will have an effect on surface-finished prints too. There just hasn't been a real demand from the market to start the effort. This means there is no schedule yet. But we will discuss this, especially if more people are backing the request. Perhaps you, or someone else who uses the profiles in production, can comment on the current matte laminate profile. It has been created from many test prints at a time when matt laminate films were still very matte, so that the laminated prints were lacking depth. Is the matte effect too strong for today's production? Best regards Hanno -- Dr. Hanno Hoffstadt Color Scientist ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Markbronner Weg 6 D-89077 Ulm Germany phone: +49 731 1406 4651 GMG GmbH & Co. KG Moempelgarder Weg 10 72072 Tuebingen Germany Phone: +49 7071 93874-0 Fax: +49 7071 93874-22 mail to: hanno.hoffstadt(a)gmgcolor.com www.gmgcolor.com <http://www.gmgcolor.com/> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GMG is a leading developer and supplier of high-end color management software solutions. Our customers span a wide range of industries and application areas including advertising agencies, prepress houses, offset, flexo, packaging, digital, and large-format printers as well as gravure printers. GMG GmbH & Co. KG. Registered Office: Tuebingen. Court of Registration: Stuttgart Local Court, No. HRA 381463. General Partner: GMG Verwaltung GmbH. Registered Office: Tuebingen. Court of Registration: Stuttgart Local Court, No. HRB 382505. Managing Directors: Ian Scott, Joerg Weihing, Robert Weihing CONFIDENTIALITY The information in this e-mail and in any attachments is confidential and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. It is intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please telephone or e-mail the sender and delete this message and any attachment from your system. Am 06.02.2017 um 09:12 schrieb Axel Robert &lt;axel.robert(a)ubisoft.com&gt;om>: Dear all, I would like to obtain more information about the following ICC profiles: PSO_Coated_v2_300_Glossy_laminate_eci.icc PSO_Coated_v2_300_Matte_laminate_eci.icc I partially switched from F39 to F51 and F47 to F52. But I still use the former (aka F49 and F50). Should I take into account they also will change since the new printing conditions? Are they still relevant? Or should they be adapted? And if so, when or how? Thank you for your answer. Regards. Axel Axel Robert | Prepress Manager Ubisoft EMEA |Manufacturing 28, rue Armand Carrel | 93100 Montreuil | France Tel: +33(0)1 48 18 52 03 | Skype: axelprepress _______________________________________________ ECI-EN mailing list ECI-EN(a)lists.callassoftware.com <mailto:ECI-EN@lists.callassoftware.com> http://lists.callassoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/eci-en <http://lists.callassoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/eci-en>