Re: [ECI-EN] Perceptual Test on Image Quality: PLEASE PARTICIPATE
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Perceptual Test on Image Quality: PLEASE PARTICIPATE
by Zolliker, Peter
Dear all,
For our current research on image quality (gamut mapping) we have set up a new internet psycho-visual test on gamut mapping.
We would like to have judgments from as many different persons as possible.
We would be happy if you could participate in the test, it will take about ten minutes (40 pair of images to compare).
You can do the test also two or three times, if you like and invite your friends and colleges to do the test.
English version
http://www.empamedia.ethz.ch/psychovisuelletests/Algorithms_mixture_with_La…
German version
http://www.empamedia.ethz.ch/psychovisuelletests/Algorithms_mixture_with_La…
It is best to use a monitor with rather high resolution (e.g. 1920 * 1280), but smaller resolution down to 1280 * 1024 is also manageable.
Thank you for your participation
Best regards
Peter Zolliker
Dr. sc. nat., Dipl. Phys. ETH
Media Technology Laboratory
Empa, Swiss Federal Laboratories for Materials Science and Technology
Ueberlandstrasse 129
CH-8600 Dübendorf
Tel. +41 (0)58 765 44 57
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Re: [ECI-EN] [pab] Profile for Heatset Woodfree Uncoated SC
by Jan-Peter Homann
Hello Elie and all,
So far as I know, the papaer categorization incl. L*a*b targets for
solids in ISO 12647-2 revision draft is mostly reflecting the current
specs from FOGRA / ECI and IDEAlliance, with some minor adaptions.
Question:
- Does the ISO 12647-2 revision draft contains a papertype Heatset
Woodfree Uncoated SC ?
Such kind of paper exist from many paper manufactures, but both Lab
targets for the solids orientated at uncoated-data (FOGRA47 /
IDEAlliance uncoated-beta) or at SC-data (FOGRA40 or IDEAlliance
SC-Beta) are not approbiate for this paper category.
The uncoated target values from FOGRA / IDEAlliance are representig
printing with too low densities for this papertype in heatset printing.
The SC target values from FOGRA / IDEAlliance representing SC-paper with
wooden fibers resulting in darker and more yellowish paperwhite.
Best regards
Jan-Peter
Am 01.06.11 15:36, schrieb ELIE KHOURY:
> Dear Jan-Peter, Dear PAB members,
> I would like to bring to your attention the following news regarding ISO printing standards:
>
> - ISO 12647-2 - 2010 revision (currently in draft stage):
> Paper categorization has been completely revised in the new edition of the standard.
> Eight paper types have been recognized to better reflect papers that are used by the industry and produced by paper manufacturers.
> ECI/FOGRA and IDEAlliance characterization data will probably have to be updated accordingly.
> We are hoping that, with the revision of ISO 12647-2, and the development of the new ISO 15339 standard (Printing from digital data across multiple technologies), there will be an opportunity to bring all existing characterization data together and offer one data set for each paper type to be used globally in standardized workflows, virtually regardless of the press technology (analog or digital) and calibration method (TVI or Near-Neutral reproduction).
>
> - White and Black Backing characterization data:
> Currently ISO 12647-2 normative aim values have been defined with black backing, mentioned white backing values are intended to be informative.
> However, most if not all currently available characterization data is obtained from white backing.
> We are currently working on recognizing D. Q. McDowell's White/Black Backing conversion method in the new revision of ISO 12647-2 - 2010 revision (currently in works) for measurement backing correction, but also for paper correction.
> This would offer the practical advantage of enabling the correction of:
> - measurement data when actual backing is different from ISO Standard or Characterization Data backing
> - solid colors aims when actual paper color is different from ISO Standard or Characterization Data paper color for the same paper type.
>
> When this step forward will be accomplished, provided the international community supports it (including you via your national body), most of the problems JP is mentioning will be practically solved.
> Completely solved? probably not... Solved to a satisfactory degree? probably yes.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Elie Khoury
> ------------
>
> On May 31, 2011, at 22:32 , Jan-Peter Homann wrote:
>
>> Hello all together,
>> I´m currently discussing with a paper manufacturer recommendations for
>> FOGRA char-data / ECI-profiles for his papers.
>>
>> For woodfree uncoated papers, it seems clear, that FOGRA 47 /
>> PSO_uncoated_eci.icc should be used.
>>
>> But digging a little bit deeper into paper categorization and printing
>> standards, the situation is not so clear.
>> If we look at the gamut, FOGRA47 /PSO_uncoated is smaller than e.g.
>> FOGRA40 / sc-paper.
>>
>> If we are looking at the the traditional paper categorization for
>> heatset printing, the WFU (Wood free uncoated) papers are representing a
>> higher quality grade than SC papers (both are uncoated materials, but
>> SC-papers have a higher amount of wood fibers than wood free papers...)
>>
>> So far as I learned about traditional paper categorization, the WFU
>> papers can may be super calandered or not. If not, this are the typical
>> uncoated papers, which are used e.g. in sheetfeed offset printing with
>> data preparation according FOGRA47 / PSO_uncoated.
>> If they are super calandered (WFU SC), they are more comparable with the
>> SC-paper category but with a much brighter paperwhite.
>>
>> *****************
>> L*a*b* 100 K an 100C 100M 100Y for FOGRA 47 and FOGRA40
>> *****************
>> Source: MedienStandard Druck 2010 from bvdm
>>
>>
>> FOGRA 47 Black Backing
>> 100 K = L*31 a*1 b*1
>> 100C 100M 100Y = L*32 a*0 b*0
>>
>> FOGRA 47 White Backing
>> 100 K = L*31 a*1 b*1
>> 100C 100M 100Y = L*33 a*0 b*0
>>
>> FOGRA 40 Black Backing
>> 100 K = L*22.2 a*0,9 b*2,1
>> 100C 100M 100Y = L*26,2 a*-1,6 b*-3
>>
>> FOGRA 40 White Backing
>> 100 K = L*22.4 a*1,1 b*2,3
>> 100C 100M 100Y = L*26,6 a*-1,5 b*-2,8
>>
>> The comparison of this values, shows, that the densities / amount of
>> color for FOGRA 47 (uncoated) is much lower than for FOGRA40 (SC-paper).
>>
>>
>> Especially for WFU SC, this leads to following question:
>> - If ISO 12647-2 papertype 4 is used as standardization target and FOGRA
>> 47 / PSO_uncoated for data preparation, we have a quite small gamut
>> compared to FOGRA 40 / SCpaper.
>> On the other hand FOGRA 40 / SCpaper could not used as target, because
>> the whitepoint of WFU SC is very different to FOGRA 40 / SCpaper. A
>> better candidate for gamut and paperwhite could be theoretically FOGRA41
>> / PSO_MFC. But technically , this profile represents another paper category.
>>
>>
>> Another possibility would be, that the paper manufacturer adapts the
>> available standardization targets, publishes target values for white and
>> black backing and makes characterization-data and an ICC-profile public
>> available. For PDF/X workflows the characterization-data would be
>> registered at http://www.color.org
>>
>> I would be interested to hear what other people are thinking about this
>> issue
>>
>> Best regards
>> Jan-Peter
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [ECI-EN] Profile for Heatset Woodfree Uncoated
by Paul Sherfield
Hi Jan-Peter
I agree with your thoughts on these two profiles.
In using both I find that the papers in the market, wood free uncoated and
SC are much whiter than the white point of the profiles, due to OBA's,
because this is what the end user likes.
So often I am making a profile amendment to change the white paper point,
when using these profiles.
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> From: Jan-Peter Homann <homann(a)colormanagement.de>
> Subject: [ECI-EN] Profile for Heatset Woodfree Uncoated
> To: Printing Across Borders <pab(a)lists.callassoftware.com>,
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> Hello all together,
> I?m currently discussing with a paper manufacturer recommendations for
> FOGRA char-data / ECI-profiles for his papers.
>
> For woodfree uncoated papers, it seems clear, that FOGRA 47 /
> PSO_uncoated_eci.icc should be used.
>
> But digging a little bit deeper into paper categorization and printing
> standards, the situation is not so clear.
> If we look at the gamut, FOGRA47 /PSO_uncoated is smaller than e.g.
> FOGRA40 / sc-paper.
>
> If we are looking at the the traditional paper categorization for
> heatset printing, the WFU (Wood free uncoated) papers are representing a
> higher quality grade than SC papers (both are uncoated materials, but
> SC-papers have a higher amount of wood fibers than wood free papers...)
>
> So far as I learned about traditional paper categorization, the WFU
> papers can may be super calandered or not. If not, this are the typical
> uncoated papers, which are used e.g. in sheetfeed offset printing with
> data preparation according FOGRA47 / PSO_uncoated.
> If they are super calandered (WFU SC), they are more comparable with the
> SC-paper category but with a much brighter paperwhite.
>
> *****************
> L*a*b* 100 K an 100C 100M 100Y for FOGRA 47 and FOGRA40
> *****************
> Source: MedienStandard Druck 2010 from bvdm
>
>
> FOGRA 47 Black Backing
> 100 K = L*31 a*1 b*1
> 100C 100M 100Y = L*32 a*0 b*0
>
> FOGRA 47 White Backing
> 100 K = L*31 a*1 b*1
> 100C 100M 100Y = L*33 a*0 b*0
>
> FOGRA 40 Black Backing
> 100 K = L*22.2 a*0,9 b*2,1
> 100C 100M 100Y = L*26,2 a*-1,6 b*-3
>
> FOGRA 40 White Backing
> 100 K = L*22.4 a*1,1 b*2,3
> 100C 100M 100Y = L*26,6 a*-1,5 b*-2,8
>
> The comparison of this values, shows, that the densities / amount of
> color for FOGRA 47 (uncoated) is much lower than for FOGRA40 (SC-paper).
>
>
> Especially for WFU SC, this leads to following question:
> - If ISO 12647-2 papertype 4 is used as standardization target and FOGRA
> 47 / PSO_uncoated for data preparation, we have a quite small gamut
> compared to FOGRA 40 / SCpaper.
> On the other hand FOGRA 40 / SCpaper could not used as target, because
> the whitepoint of WFU SC is very different to FOGRA 40 / SCpaper. A
> better candidate for gamut and paperwhite could be theoretically FOGRA41
> / PSO_MFC. But technically , this profile represents another paper category.
>
>
> Another possibility would be, that the paper manufacturer adapts the
> available standardization targets, publishes target values for white and
> black backing and makes characterization-data and an ICC-profile public
> available. For PDF/X workflows the characterization-data would be
> registered at http://www.color.org
>
> I would be interested to hear what other people are thinking about this
> issue
>
> Best regards
> Jan-Peter
>
>
>
> --
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>
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> Mr Gottfried Borys "borys(a)orellkarto.ch"
> Phone +41-44-454 22 26 or
> Mr Giuliano Beccarelli at "beccarelli(a)orellkarto.ch"
> Phone +41-44-454 22 24.
>
> Heinz Stoll
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 23:49:29 +0200 (CEST)
> From: stoll(a)orellkarto.ch
> Subject: [ECI-EN] Abwesenheitsnotiz / Out of office
> To: eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com, info(a)orellkarto.ch
> Message-ID: <20110531214929.2D639D0456AB(a)lists.callassoftware.com>
>
> Ich bin abwesend bis 04.06.2011.
> Fuer wichtige Mitteilungen wenden Sie sich bitte an
> Herrn Gottfried Borys "borys(a)orellkarto.ch"
> Tel +41-44-454 22 26 oder
> Herrn Giuliano Beccarelli "beccarelli(a)orellkarto.ch"
> Tel +41-44-454 22 24
>
> I am out of the office until June 4th, 2011.
> For important messages please contact
> Mr Gottfried Borys "borys(a)orellkarto.ch"
> Phone +41-44-454 22 26 or
> Mr Giuliano Beccarelli at "beccarelli(a)orellkarto.ch"
> Phone +41-44-454 22 24.
>
> Heinz Stoll
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 23:49:47 +0200 (CEST)
> From: stoll(a)orellkarto.ch
> Subject: [ECI-EN] Abwesenheitsnotiz / Out of office
> To: eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com, info(a)orellkarto.ch
> Message-ID: <20110531214947.22485D045709(a)lists.callassoftware.com>
>
> Ich bin abwesend bis 04.06.2011.
> Fuer wichtige Mitteilungen wenden Sie sich bitte an
> Herrn Gottfried Borys "borys(a)orellkarto.ch"
> Tel +41-44-454 22 26 oder
> Herrn Giuliano Beccarelli "beccarelli(a)orellkarto.ch"
> Tel +41-44-454 22 24
>
> I am out of the office until June 4th, 2011.
> For important messages please contact
> Mr Gottfried Borys "borys(a)orellkarto.ch"
> Phone +41-44-454 22 26 or
> Mr Giuliano Beccarelli at "beccarelli(a)orellkarto.ch"
> Phone +41-44-454 22 24.
>
> Heinz Stoll
>
>
>
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>
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