ECI-EN February 2021

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by Paul Sherfield

Hi Andy Just downloaded the beta Fogra 60 profile for Metal Dec MPC1. On checking the profile I see that it does not reflect the latest amendment to the draft standard for the Lab of the yellow. The profile is: L76 a-5 b78 The latest draft is L79 a-6 b88 This 'new' yellow should increase the gamut volume a little __. One further observation, the TAC is 300%. I think a TAC of 260% with a increased GCR may be a better approach for metal decoration. 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Fogra test profile for metal decoration printing (Andreas Kraushaar) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 15:04:05 +0000 From: Andreas Kraushaar <Kraushaar(a)fogra.org> Subject: [ECI-EN] Fogra test profile for metal decoration printing To: Mailinglist for DPWG Members <dpwg(a)lists.fogra.org> Cc: "eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com" <eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com> Message-ID: <983f92828e4c437c84fd7f641d05a746(a)e2k10-2k12r2-01.fogra.local> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_983f92828e4c437 c84fd7f641d05a746e2k102k12r201fogralocal_" --_000_983f92828e4c437c84fd7f641d05a746e2k102k12r201fogralocal_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear members of the DPWG and ECI-members, Although "D" stands for Digital I would like to share with you the recently= published test profile "Metal-Printing_MPC1_FOGRA60". You can find the characterization data and the ICC profile here: https://fogra.org/en/downloads/work-tools/characterisation-data Thankfully, Florian S=FC=DFl (ECI) provided the ICC profile in the known ma= nner, so you can share your feedback (naming, separation, gamut mapping etc= .) here or directly at the ECI mailing list. Looking forward to hearing from you Andreas Kraushaar PS: I also added my notes from the recent ISO meeting below to give you som= e more background. We managed to sort out the issues (the aim values of yel= low have been refined in the last minute). Von: Andreas Kraushaar Gesendet: 22 October 2020 09:08 An: dpwg(a)lists.fogra.org Betreff: ISO News Dear DPWG members, This year TC130 meetings will be held all digital/online. The WG3 meetings = have been spread across four meetings with individual topics. So you can ex= pect the ISO news over the coming weeks (next meeting will be held on Nov 1= 0th focusing on ISO 12647-2). Yesterday we focussed on ISO 12647-9 (Metal decoration offset printing). Th= e document was approved as DIS and the comments were resolved. Since there = were also technical comments the document will be balloted for FDIS before = we can expect final publication early next year. Based on the available aim= s (CIELAB and TVI) and related printing samples (e.g. thankfully provided b= y Pirlo and modelled by GMG) we have tried to create characterization data.= In that process we found some issues in the actual aims so we proposed to = change some of the colour aims (and were not able to provide characterisati= on data and ICC profiles). Another challenge is the very dark aim CIEL (lig= htness) of the black primary being CIEL*=3D5 (for MPC2) and CIEL*=3D8 (MPC3= /4) respectively. In the meeting minor changes of the aim values were agree= d and we plan to provide characterization data for MPC1 ("White coated meta= l with the CIELAB aims being CIELAB=3D84+-4, -2 +-2, -6 +-2), potentially b= ecoming FOGRA60. If you are interested in further tests just let us know Regards Andreas Kraushaar Show your colour competence! Become Fogra Digital Print Partner / Fogra Digital Print Professional ------------------------- Dr.-Ing. Andreas Kraushaar Abt. Vorstufentechnik Fogra Forschungsinstitut f=FCr Medientechnologien e.V. Einsteinring 1a 85609 Aschheim b. M=FCnchen Telefon: +49 89. 431 82 - 335 Telefax: +49 89. 431 82 - 100 E-mail: kraushaar(a)fogra.org<mailto:kraushaar@fogra.org> Internet: www.fogra.org<http://www.fogra.org> --_000_983f92828e4c437c84fd7f641d05a746e2k102k12r201fogralocal_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w=3D"urn:sc= hemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/of= fice/2004/12/omml" xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-= 1"> <meta name=3D"Generator" content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body lang=3D"EN-GB" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"> <div class=3D"WordSection1"> Dear members of the DP= WG and ECI-members,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p></spa= n> Although “D&#822= 1; stands for Digital I would like to share with you the recently published= test profile “Metal-Printing_MPC1_FOGRA60”. <o:p></o:p> You can find the chara= cterization data and the ICC profile here:<o:p></o:p> <a href=3D"https://fog= ra.org/en/downloads/work-tools/characterisation-data">https://fogra.org/en/= downloads/work-tools/characterisation-data</a><o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p></spa= n> Thankfully, Florian S= =FC=DFl (ECI) provided the ICC profile in the known manner, so you can shar= e your feedback (naming, separation, gamut mapping etc.) here or directly a= t the ECI mailing list.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p></spa= n> Looking forward to hea= ring from you<o:p></o:p> Andreas Kraushaar<o:p>= </o:p> <o:p> </o:p></spa= n> PS: I also added my no= tes from the recent ISO meeting below to give you some more background. We = managed to sort out the issues (the aim values of yellow have been refined = in the last minute).<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p></spa= n> <o:p> </o:p></spa= n> <o:p> </o:p></spa= n> <o:p> </o:p></spa= n> <o:p> </o:p></spa= n> <o:p> </o:p></spa= n> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm = 0cm 0cm"> Von: Andreas Kraushaar Gesendet: 22 October 2020 09:08 An: dpwg(a)lists.fogra.org Betreff: ISO News <o:p></o:p> </div> </div> <o:p> </o:p> Dear DPWG members,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> This year TC130 meetings will be held all digital/online. The = WG3 meetings have been spread across four meetings with individual topics. = So you can expect the ISO news over the coming weeks (next meeting will be held on Nov 10th focusing on ISO 12647-2).<o:p= ></o:p> Yesterday we focussed on ISO 12647-9 (Metal decoration offset = printing). The document was approved as DIS and the comments were resolved.= Since there were also technical comments the document will be balloted for FDIS before we can expect final publication = early next year. Based on the available aims (CIELAB and TVI) and related p= rinting samples (e.g. thankfully provided by Pirlo and modelled by GMG) we = have tried to create characterization data. In that process we found some issues in the actual aims so we propos= ed to change some of the colour aims (and were not able to provide characte= risation data and ICC profiles). Another challenge is the very dark aim CIE= L (lightness) of the black primary being CIEL*=3D5 (for MPC2) and CIEL*=3D8 (MPC3/4) respectively. In the mee= ting minor changes of the aim values were agreed and we plan to provide cha= racterization data for MPC1 (“White coated metal with the CIELAB aims= being CIELAB=3D84+-4, -2 +-2, -6 +-2), potentially becoming FOGRA60.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> If you are interested in further tests just let us know<o:p></= o:p> Regards<o:p></o:p> Andreas Kraushaar<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Show your= colour competence!<o:p></o:p> Become Fo= gra Digital Print Partner / Fogra Digital Print Professional<o:p></o:p></sp= an> ——————————&#= 8212;——————————= ————<o:p></o:p> Dr.-Ing. Andreas Kraushaar<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Abt. Vorstufentechnik<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Fogra<o:p></o:p> Forschungsinstitut f=FCr Medientechnologien e.V.<o:p></o:p> Einsteinring 1a<o:p></o:p> 85609 Aschheim b. M=FCnchen<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Telefon:  +49 89. 431 82 - 335<o:p></o:p> Telefax:  +49 89. 431 82 - 100<o:p></o:p> E-mail:   <a href=3D"mailto:kraushaar@fogra.org">kraushaar(a)fogra.org</a><o:p></o:p></= span> Internet:= <a href=3D"http://www.fogra.org"> www.fogra.org</a><o:p></o:p> <o:p>&nbs= p;</o:p> <o:p> </o:p> </div> </body> </html> --_000_983f92828e4c437c84fd7f641d05a746e2k102k12r201fogralocal_-- ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ ECI-EN mailing list -- eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com To unsubscribe send an email to eci-en-leave(a)lists.callassoftware.com %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s ------------------------------ End of ECI-EN Digest, Vol 92, Issue 1 *************************************

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Fogra test profile for metal decoration printing

by Andreas Kraushaar

Dear members of the DPWG and ECI-members, Although "D" stands for Digital I would like to share with you the recently published test profile "Metal-Printing_MPC1_FOGRA60". You can find the characterization data and the ICC profile here: https://fogra.org/en/downloads/work-tools/characterisation-data Thankfully, Florian Süßl (ECI) provided the ICC profile in the known manner, so you can share your feedback (naming, separation, gamut mapping etc.) here or directly at the ECI mailing list. Looking forward to hearing from you Andreas Kraushaar PS: I also added my notes from the recent ISO meeting below to give you some more background. We managed to sort out the issues (the aim values of yellow have been refined in the last minute). Von: Andreas Kraushaar Gesendet: 22 October 2020 09:08 An: dpwg(a)lists.fogra.org Betreff: ISO News Dear DPWG members, This year TC130 meetings will be held all digital/online. The WG3 meetings have been spread across four meetings with individual topics. So you can expect the ISO news over the coming weeks (next meeting will be held on Nov 10th focusing on ISO 12647-2). Yesterday we focussed on ISO 12647-9 (Metal decoration offset printing). The document was approved as DIS and the comments were resolved. Since there were also technical comments the document will be balloted for FDIS before we can expect final publication early next year. Based on the available aims (CIELAB and TVI) and related printing samples (e.g. thankfully provided by Pirlo and modelled by GMG) we have tried to create characterization data. In that process we found some issues in the actual aims so we proposed to change some of the colour aims (and were not able to provide characterisation data and ICC profiles). Another challenge is the very dark aim CIEL (lightness) of the black primary being CIEL*=5 (for MPC2) and CIEL*=8 (MPC3/4) respectively. In the meeting minor changes of the aim values were agreed and we plan to provide characterization data for MPC1 ("White coated metal with the CIELAB aims being CIELAB=84+-4, -2 +-2, -6 +-2), potentially becoming FOGRA60. If you are interested in further tests just let us know Regards Andreas Kraushaar Show your colour competence! Become Fogra Digital Print Partner / Fogra Digital Print Professional ------------------------- Dr.-Ing. Andreas Kraushaar Abt. Vorstufentechnik Fogra Forschungsinstitut für Medientechnologien e.V. Einsteinring 1a 85609 Aschheim b. München Telefon: +49 89. 431 82 - 335 Telefax: +49 89. 431 82 - 100 E-mail: kraushaar(a)fogra.org<mailto:kraushaar@fogra.org> Internet: www.fogra.org<http://www.fogra.org>

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