Re: [ECI-EN] Fogra51 clarification Please
by Jason Brooks
Hello all, I wondered if you could clarify this for me.
We use both the ISO coated V2 and ISO coated V2 (300) Sheetfed and web presses for papertype 1&2 (standard coated materials?)
As I understand it the new standard relates to premium coated - Fogra 51L – PSO Coated v3
Does it mean that I should only use this new standard on triple coated hi quality stock or that I need to use it instead of the other profiles used for papertype 1&2
Jason Brooks
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Re: [ECI-EN] [PDFX-next] Altona Test Suite 2.0 Update (2016)
by Kleeberg, Dieter (bvdm)
Dear Leonard,
finally, the ATS2 2013 is an existing product published and distributed by bvdm. As Olaf said (and I agree): Nothing is wrong with the files and output settings. That’s why all existing files will remain untouched. The announced update is only dedicated to the new printing conditions. The related PDF/X-4 test form files will be generated with the 2013 settings.
Best regards,
Dieter
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As the 2013 files have “expected output” samples that are NOT THE ONLY valid output, and that the documentation that accompanies the suite as well as the marketing message from the ECI and others, does not reflect this reality (which led to the substantial changes in Clause 11) - I continue to consider the 2013 suite invalid and unusable by the industry. And that message is the one maintained by Adobe verbally and in our software implementation and which we also instruct our OEM vendors (though they are free to customize their implementations as they see fit).
At a minimum, (and as we have discussed for 3 years now), ECI should change their documentation and message to reflect that other outputs from the current suite are acceptable as per PDF/X-4 and PDF 1.6. When that happens, I will be glad to publicly change my position.
Leonard Rosenthol
PDF Architect · Principal Scientist | Adobe Systems Incorporated | p. 408.536.2433 | c. 215.808.4978 | leonardr(a)adobe.com<mailto:leonardr@adobe.com>
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Subject: Re: [PDFX-next] Altona Test Suite 2.0 Update (2016)
Hi Leonard,
as a very clear statement in my role as Chairman of the ECI (and one of the developers of the Altona Test Suite v2):
- there is **NOTHING** wrong with the PDF files in Altona Test Suite v2 (neither in the originally published version nor in this 2016 update)
- PDF 2.0 is neither (ISO internally) finalized nor published yet; thus there was no reason to even consider making it a PDF 2.0 conforming set of PDF files; Altona Test Suite v2 is still based on PDF/X-4 (and by implication on PDF 1.6)
- in terms of expected rendering results of page content on the Technical page of Altona Test Suite v2 involving transparency on the background of the recently (less than two months ago) updated clause “11. Transparency “ in the 3rd DIS of ISO 32000-2, the ECI members who have developed Altona Test Suite v2 have reason to assume that no adjustments in the test pages are or will become necessary
In case you disagree with any of this, please submit detailed bug reports and preferably specific test files that prove your point.
Thanks,
Olaf Drümmer
Chairman of the European Color Initiative (ECI)
On 01.04.2016, at 04:12, Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth(a)adobe.com<mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>> wrote:
But has anyone modified the tests to comply with ISO 32000-2 yet? If so, whats the point since these files still remain invalid?!?!
Leonard
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Subject: [PDFX-next] Altona Test Suite 2.0 Update (2016)
Dear friends & colleagues,
bvdm announces “ATS2+”, the FOGRA51 + FOGRA52 update (2016) of its Altona Test Suite 2.0 Application Kit (2013). The new PC1 and PC5 reference prints on Sappi stock are of excellent quality. They were produced at Heidelberg PMC Commercial end of February under supervision of Florian Süssl (curves, colorimetric targets, tolerances, drifts) and Michael Dischinger (Heidelberg PMC: protocol of Prinect Inpress Control).
By subscripting until April 30, the buyers will save 100 Euro. Additionally, the “membership price” is also for members of our circle. The update alone costs 15 Euro, if you already possess an ATS2 with serial number.
Please, use the online form for your order:
http://www.bvdm-online.de/bestellformular/
http://www.bvdm-online.de/altona-test-suite-20-english-order-form/
The shipping will start around Drupa (June 2016).
You are invited to spread this information. Thank you!
Best regards,
Dieter Kleeberg
Referent Technik + Forschung
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Altona Test Suite 2.0 Update (2016)
by Kleeberg, Dieter (bvdm)
Dear friends & colleagues,
bvdm announces "ATS2+", the FOGRA51 + FOGRA52 update (2016) of its Altona Test Suite 2.0 Application Kit (2013). The new PC1 and PC5 reference prints on Sappi stock are of excellent quality. They were produced at Heidelberg PMC Commercial end of February under supervision of Florian Süssl (curves, colorimetric targets, tolerances, drifts) and Michael Dischinger (Heidelberg PMC: protocol of Prinect Inpress Control).
By subscripting until April 30, the buyers will save 100 Euro. Additionally, the "membership price" is also for members of our circle. The update alone costs 15 Euro, if you already possess an ATS2 with serial number.
Please, use the online form for your order:
http://www.bvdm-online.de/bestellformular/
http://www.bvdm-online.de/altona-test-suite-20-english-order-form/
The shipping will start around Drupa (June 2016).
You are invited to spread this information. Thank you!
Best regards,
Dieter Kleeberg
Referent Technik + Forschung
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Bundesverband Druck und Medien e.V. (bvdm)
German Printing and Media Industries Federation (bvdm)
Friedrichstraße 194-199
D-10117 Berlin
Telefon +49 (0) 30 / 20 91 39-164
Mobil +49 (0) 160 / 65 184 60
Telefax +49 (0) 30 / 20 91 39-113
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ATS Altona Test Suite Application Kit www.altonatestsuite.com<http://www.altonatestsuite.com/>
FSP Functional Screen Printing www.screenprinting-technology.org<http://www.screenprinting-technology.org/>
PSO ProzessStandard Offsetdruck www.prozess-standard.com<http://www.prozess-standard.com/>
PSO ProcessStandard Offset ISO 12647 www.pso-insider.de<http://www.pso-insider.de/>
R16 roman16 bvdm Reference Images www.roman16.com<http://www.roman16.com/>
CO2 Klimainitiative bvdm - Climate initiative www.klima-druck.de<http://www.klima-druck.de/>
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