4:34 p.m.
Hi All
Can I ask you a quick question please?
I have the task of checking running sheets for a dozen or so suppliers and
want use the Eye-One with Measure Tool 5 software from X-Rite
But.. I don¹t have the measurement table that is needed to test sheets to
FOGRA39. It¹s not in the software and I can¹t find it on x-rite website or
searching the web!..
I will be sampling the standard Ugra/FOGRA-Medienkiel CMYk-TIFF V2.0a. It
would be similar to the Œ2x_MW2_FOGRA27L_SB.txt¹ one which is installed with
Measure Tool, but with the FOGRA39 data.
In theory I could make one from the 1617 sets from the main lookup table
here http://www.color.org/FOGRA39L.txt if I knew which ones to use..
Any ideas?
Thanks
Ken Jones
Technical Production Manager
Penguin Group (UK)
80 Strand, London, WC2R 0RL
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7:59 p.m.
Hi Ken,
Maybe this can help you. Following is a subset of IT8.7/4 SAMPLE_ID's
for Fogra media wedge v3:
1287, 1294, 1297, 1300, 1302, # Cyan
1307, 1314, 1317, 1320, 1322, # Magenta
1327, 1334, 1337, 1340, 1342, # Yellow
1362, 1360, 1357, 1355, 1352, 1347, # Black
1262, 1149, 1228,
81, 61, 41, 21, 11, # Blue
657, 493, 329, 165, 83, # Red
721, 541, 361, 181, 91, # Green
1373, 1372, 1371, 1370, 1369, 1368, # CMY grey
1266, 1155, 1236,
729, 547, 365, 183, 92, # C=M=Y
511, 896, 933, 861, 931, 943, 871, 873,
338, 653, 333, 45, 685, 397, 77,
1, # Paper
1278, 1074, 1204
Martin Weberg
2009/2/25 Jones, Ken <ken.jones(a)uk.penguingroup.com>om>:
Hi All
Can I ask you a quick question please?
I have the task of checking running sheets for a dozen or so suppliers and
want use the Eye-One with Measure Tool 5 software from X-Rite
But.. I don’t have the measurement table that is needed to test sheets to
FOGRA39. It’s not in the software and I can’t find it on x-rite website or
searching the web!..
I will be sampling the standard Ugra/FOGRA-Medienkiel CMYk-TIFF V2.0a. It
would be similar to the ‘2x_MW2_FOGRA27L_SB.txt’ one which is installed with
Measure Tool, but with the FOGRA39 data.
In theory I could make one from the 1617 sets from the main lookup table
here http://www.color.org/FOGRA39L.txt if I knew which ones to use..
Any ideas?
Thanks
Ken Jones
Technical Production Manager
Penguin Group (UK)
80 Strand, London, WC2R 0RL
Direct Dial +44 (0)20 7010 4136
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Jones, Ken wrote:
Hi All
Can I ask you a quick question please?
I have the task of checking running sheets for a dozen or so suppliers
and want use the Eye-One with Measure Tool 5 software from X-Rite
But.. I don’t have the measurement table that is needed to test sheets
to FOGRA39. It’s not in the software and I can’t find it on x-rite
website or searching the web!..
I will be sampling the standard Ugra/FOGRA-Medienkiel CMYk-TIFF V2.0a.
It would be similar to the ‘2x_MW2_FOGRA27L_SB.txt’ one which is
installed with Measure Tool, but with the FOGRA39 data.
In theory I could make one from the 1617 sets from the main lookup table
here _http://www.color.org/FOGRA39L.txt_ if I knew which ones to use..
It's easier when you start with the MediaWedge v3 Subsets available at
forgra.org: <http://www.fogra.org/mediawedge/MediaWedge3_Subsets.zip>
They contain still more patches than you need, but its's easier to
extract 42 out of 72 then out of 1617 patches (MediaWedge v2 is a subset
of MediaWedge v3).
The patch sequence you need is:
1 2 3 6 7 8 11 12 13 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 16 17 18 19 20 21 25
26 27 30 31 32 35 36 37 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 40 41 42 43 44 45
BTW: there's a newer evaluation method with tighter tolerances and
additional criteria based on ISO 12647-7: See
<http://www.fogra.org/mediawedge/index-en.html> and
<http://www.bvdm-online.de/Aktuelles/Downloads.php> (MedienStandard
Druck 2008, only in German).
There are several commercial applications available to perform
UGRA/FOGRA MediaWedge v2/v3 evaluation with up-to-date tolerances and
criteria.
I can also offer tailor-made solutions based on my evaluation framework
written in R (The R Project for Statistical Computing,
<http://www.r-project.org/>).
The framework is capable to carry out complete MediaWedge v3 evaluations
for any reference condition with a single function call, to create PDFs
with descriptive plots, to print labels or to carry out more
sophisticated long-term evaluations and various reports for quality
control purposes, to read/write measurement files and evaluation results
from/to SQL databases and much more.
Creating the table you need with my framework requires only 3 lines of
code:
# read the reference file (FOGRA39L.txt would work as well)
F39subset <- readCgats("MediaWedge3_Subsets/FOGRA39_MW3_Subset.txt")
# read the MeasureTool evaluation file
mk2MT <- readCgats("2x_MW2_FOGRA27L_SB.txt")
# select the patches requred:
mk2MTf39 <- selectPatches(mk2MT[c("SAMPLE_NAME", cmyk)], F39subset,
roundTo8Bit=FALSE)
# print the result:
mk2MTf39[,c("SAMPLE_NAME",cmyk,lab)]
SAMPLE_NAME CMYK_C CMYK_M CMYK_Y CMYK_K LAB_L LAB_A LAB_B
1 A1 100 0 0 0 55.00 -37.00 -50.00
2 A2 70 0 0 0 66.86 -24.73 -37.10
3 A3 40 0 0 0 79.72 -12.53 -21.75
4 A4 0 100 0 0 48.00 74.00 -3.00
5 A5 0 70 0 0 60.84 50.59 -6.74
6 A6 0 40 0 0 76.42 25.78 -6.91
7 A7 0 0 100 0 89.00 -5.00 93.00
8 A8 0 0 70 0 90.34 -4.70 62.56
9 A9 0 0 40 0 92.19 -3.47 31.15
10 A10 20 70 70 0 53.08 37.72 28.91
11 A11 40 70 70 20 41.55 22.73 16.76
12 A12 40 100 100 20 31.92 39.95 23.98
13 A13 40 100 40 20 32.54 44.45 -1.80
14 A14 40 40 100 20 51.28 1.27 44.50
15 A15 100 40 100 20 34.56 -36.44 13.86
16 A16 100 40 40 20 35.95 -26.19 -20.86
17 A17 100 100 40 20 20.92 9.58 -23.65
18 K10 0 0 0 10 88.97 0.00 -1.85
19 K20 0 0 0 20 82.79 0.00 -1.69
20 K40 0 0 0 40 69.28 0.00 -1.35
21 K60 0 0 0 60 54.14 0.00 -0.97
22 K80 0 0 0 80 36.62 0.00 -0.52
23 K100 0 0 0 100 16.00 0.00 0.00
24 B1 100 100 0 0 24.00 22.00 -46.00
25 B2 70 70 0 0 40.88 17.88 -36.58
26 B3 40 40 0 0 63.69 10.33 -23.76
27 B4 0 100 100 0 47.00 68.00 48.00
28 B5 0 70 70 0 58.50 47.10 37.88
29 B6 0 40 40 0 74.18 22.92 21.37
30 B7 100 0 100 0 50.00 -65.00 27.00
31 B8 70 0 70 0 62.13 -39.82 21.01
32 B9 40 0 40 0 76.97 -19.06 11.03
33 B10 10 40 40 0 71.22 18.85 17.25
34 B11 0 40 100 0 71.24 22.15 73.08
35 B12 0 100 40 0 47.74 71.20 16.24
36 B13 40 100 0 0 38.01 55.38 -20.94
37 B14 40 0 100 0 73.66 -22.81 67.57
38 B15 100 0 40 0 52.33 -52.31 -20.15
39 B16 100 40 0 0 43.34 -17.03 -48.62
40 B17 0 0 0 0 95.00 0.00 -2.00
41 G10 10 6 6 0 88.54 -0.38 -3.13
42 G20 20 12 12 0 81.95 -0.89 -4.10
43 G40 40 27 27 0 67.67 -1.96 -4.37
44 G60 60 45 45 0 52.22 -2.48 -3.53
45 G80 80 65 65 0 37.47 -3.86 -3.15
46 G100 100 85 85 0 26.29 -6.81 -3.41
Feel free to contact me off-list if you are interested in further
details or custom solutions based on this framework.
Regards,
Klaus Karcher
--
Klaus Karcher * Eichenallee 18
26203 Wardenburg * Germany
Tel. +49 441 8859770
11:28 p.m.
Hi Ken
I have attached the files for F39L / measure tool 5 for the
mediawedge 2 to a direct email
you might like to consider a more sophisticated analysis if you are
assessing press performance though.
for example MetaPrintCheck from Florian Sussl, more here:
http://www.colourmanagement.net/pressgear.html
this is the application I use for press assessment
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ken.jones(a)uk.penguingroup.com (Jones, Ken)::25/2/09::15:34:: GMT-0000
Hi All
Can I ask you a quick question please?
I have the task of checking running sheets for a dozen or so suppliers and
want use the Eye-One with Measure Tool 5 software from X-Rite
But.. I don¹t have the measurement table that is needed to test sheets to
FOGRA39. It¹s not in the software and I can¹t find it on x-rite website or
searching the web!..
I will be sampling the standard Ugra/FOGRA-Medienkiel CMYk-TIFF V2.0a. It
would be similar to the Œ2x_MW2_FOGRA27L_SB.txt¹ one which is installed with
Measure Tool, but with the FOGRA39 data.
In theory I could make one from the 1617 sets from the main lookup table
here http://www.color.org/FOGRA39L.txt if I knew which ones to use..
Any ideas?
Thanks
Ken Jones
Technical Production Manager
Penguin Group (UK)
80 Strand, London, WC2R 0RL
Direct Dial +44 (0)20 7010 4136
12:44 p.m.
Hi Ken
in my earlier answer [just popped into the office very quickly] I
neglected to mention that a very good way of testing a Mediawedge for
compliance is with basICColor Control software. I use this application a
lot for testing proofs.
The guys at basICColor also developed basICColor Certify which is used
for BVDM / PSO certification with a whole press-sheet of strips and patches.
If you need more information than you're getting from the Mediawedge
[and I would think you do as it I believe that it is really intended for
proofs, not press work) then you may like to look at these advanced
applications.
www.color-solutions.de
all best
neil barstow
ken.jones(a)uk.penguingroup.com (Jones, Ken)::25/2/09::15:34:: GMT-0000
Hi All
Can I ask you a quick question please?
I have the task of checking running sheets for a dozen or so suppliers and
want use the Eye-One with Measure Tool 5 software from X-Rite
But.. I don¹t have the measurement table that is needed to test sheets to
FOGRA39. It¹s not in the software and I can¹t find it on x-rite website or
searching the web!..
I will be sampling the standard Ugra/FOGRA-Medienkiel CMYk-TIFF V2.0a. It
would be similar to the Œ2x_MW2_FOGRA27L_SB.txt¹ one which is installed with
Measure Tool, but with the FOGRA39 data.
In theory I could make one from the 1617 sets from the main lookup table
here http://www.color.org/FOGRA39L.txt if I knew which ones to use..
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