Hi Paul,
Good catch. I linked the old version :-(
But fixed it right away.
Sorry
Andy
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Hi Andy
Just downloaded the beta Fogra 60 profile for Metal Dec MPC1. On checking the profile I
see that it does not reflect the latest amendment to the draft standard for the Lab of the
yellow.
The profile is: L76 a-5 b78
The latest draft is L79 a-6 b88
This 'new' yellow should increase the gamut volume a little __. One further
observation, the TAC is 300%. I think a TAC of 260% with a increased GCR may be a better
approach for metal decoration.
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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 15:04:05 +0000
From: Andreas Kraushaar <Kraushaar(a)fogra.org>
Subject: [ECI-EN] Fogra test profile for metal decoration printing
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Dear members of the DPWG and ECI-members,
Although "D" stands for Digital I would like to share with you the
recently=
published test profile "Metal-Printing_MPC1_FOGRA60".
You can find the characterization data and the ICC profile here:
https://fogra.org/en/downloads/work-tools/characterisation-data
Thankfully, Florian S=FC=DFl (ECI) provided the ICC profile in the known ma=
nner, so you can share your feedback (naming, separation, gamut mapping etc=
.) here or directly at the ECI mailing list.
Looking forward to hearing from you
Andreas Kraushaar
PS: I also added my notes from the recent ISO meeting below to give you som=
e more background. We managed to sort out the issues (the aim values of yel=
low have been refined in the last minute).
Von: Andreas Kraushaar
Gesendet: 22 October 2020 09:08
An: dpwg(a)lists.fogra.org
Betreff: ISO News
Dear DPWG members,
This year TC130 meetings will be held all digital/online. The WG3 meetings =
have been spread across four meetings with individual topics. So you can ex=
pect the ISO news over the coming weeks (next meeting will be held on Nov 1=
0th focusing on ISO 12647-2).
Yesterday we focussed on ISO 12647-9 (Metal decoration offset printing). Th=
e document was approved as DIS and the comments were resolved. Since there =
were also technical comments the document will be balloted for FDIS before =
we can expect final publication early next year. Based on the available aim=
s (CIELAB and TVI) and related printing samples (e.g. thankfully provided b=
y Pirlo and modelled by GMG) we have tried to create characterization data.=
In that process we found some issues in the actual aims so we proposed to =
change some of the colour aims (and were not able to provide characterisati=
on data and ICC profiles). Another challenge is the very dark aim CIEL (lig=
htness) of the black primary being CIEL*=3D5 (for MPC2) and CIEL*=3D8 (MPC3=
/4) respectively. In the meeting minor changes of the aim values were agree=
d and we plan to provide characterization data for MPC1 ("White coated meta=
l with the CIELAB aims being CIELAB=3D84+-4, -2 +-2, -6 +-2), potentially b=
ecoming FOGRA60.
If you are interested in further tests just let us know
Regards
Andreas Kraushaar
Show your colour competence!
Become Fogra Digital Print Partner / Fogra Digital Print Professional
-------------------------
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Abt. Vorstufentechnik
Fogra
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Einsteinring 1a
85609 Aschheim b. M=FCnchen
Telefon: +49 89. 431 82 - 335
Telefax: +49 89. 431 82 - 100
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D">Although “D̶=
1; stands for Digital I would like to share with you the recently published=
test profile “Metal-Printing_MPC1_FOGRA60”.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D">You can find the chara=
cterization data and the ICC profile
here:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"><a href=3D"https://fog=
ra.org/en/downloads/work-tools/characterisation-data">https://fogra…
downloads/work-tools/characterisation-data</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thankfully, Florian S=
=FC=DFl (ECI) provided the ICC profile in the known manner, so you can shar=
e your feedback (naming, separation, gamut mapping etc.) here or directly a=
t the ECI mailing list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D">Looking forward to hea=
ring from you<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D">Andreas Kraushaar<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D">PS: I also added my no=
tes from the recent ISO meeting below to give you some more background. We =
managed to sort out the issues (the aim values of yellow have been refined =
in the last minute).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"=
Andreas Kraushaar
<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> 22 October 2020 09:08<br>
<b>An:</b> dpwg(a)lists.fogra.org<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> ISO News <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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members,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-family:"Calibri Light"=
,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-family:"Calibri Light"=
,sans-serif">This year TC130 meetings will be held all digital/online. The =
WG3 meetings have been spread across four meetings with individual topics. =
So you can expect the ISO news over the coming
weeks (next meeting will be held on Nov 10th focusing on ISO 12647-2).<o:p=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-family:"Calibri Light"=
,sans-serif">Yesterday we focussed on ISO 12647-9 (Metal decoration offset =
printing). The document was approved as DIS and the comments were resolved.=
Since there were also technical comments the
document will be balloted for FDIS before we can expect final publication =
early next year. Based on the available aims (CIELAB and TVI) and related p=
rinting samples (e.g. thankfully provided by Pirlo and modelled by GMG) we =
have tried to create characterization
data. In that process we found some issues in the actual aims so we propos=
ed to change some of the colour aims (and were not able to provide characte=
risation data and ICC profiles). Another challenge is the very dark aim CIE=
L (lightness) of the black primary
being CIEL*=3D5 (for MPC2) and CIEL*=3D8 (MPC3/4) respectively. In the mee=
ting minor changes of the aim values were agreed and we plan to provide cha=
racterization data for MPC1 (“White coated metal with the CIELAB aims=
being CIELAB=3D84+-4, -2 +-2, -6 +-2), potentially
becoming FOGRA60.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-family:"Calibri Light"=
,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-family:"Calibri Light"=
,sans-serif">If you are interested in further tests just let us
know<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-family:"Calibri Light"=
,sans-serif">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-family:"Calibri Light"=
,sans-serif">Andreas Kraushaar<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-family:"Calibri Light"=
,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Show your=
colour competence!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Become Fo=
gra Digital Print Partner / Fogra Digital Print
Professional<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE"
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-G=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE"
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-G=
B">Dr.-Ing. Andreas Kraushaar<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE"
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-G=
B"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE"
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-G=
B">Abt. Vorstufentechnik<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE"
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-G=
B"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE"
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-G=
B">Fogra<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE"
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-G=
B">Forschungsinstitut f=FCr Medientechnologien
e.V.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE"
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-G=
B">Einsteinring 1a<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE"
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-G=
B">85609 Aschheim b. M=FCnchen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE"
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-G=
B"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE"
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-G=
B">Telefon: +49 89. 431 82 -
335<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE"
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-G=
B">Telefax: +49 89. 431 82 -
100<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE"
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-G=
B">E-mail:
<a
href=3D"mailto:kraushaar@fogra.org">kraushaar@fogra.org</a><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Internet:=
<a href=3D"http://www.fogra.org">
www.fogra.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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