Hi Lars, (1) The new printing condition for PT4 (CharData, Profile) are prepared in cooperation (bvdm/ECI/Fogra/Ugra) and on a voluntary basis. I can't tell you the exact date of publication by now. (2) An Amendment2 to ISO 12647-2:2004 is not necessary (and is not recommended, to avoid further confusion). (3) For "PSO Uncoated": CIELAB target values CMYK, RGB, according to ISO 12647-2:2004 Amendment1 (published 2007-04-17). Best regards Karl Michael ____________________________________________ Von: eci-en-bounces(a)lists.callassoftware.com [mailto:eci-en-bounces@lists.callassoftware.com] Im Auftrag von Lars Jacobsen Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. März 2009 10:16 An: eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com Betreff: Re: [ECI-EN] Variance in Lab target values between Fogra and BvdM Hi Karl Michael Meinecke, Can you be more specific about the new printing condition and "later this year"? Will there be an Amendment2 to ISO 12647-2 or just a new PSO char data by Fogra? I feel we have heard about a new PT4 and "coming soon/coming later this year" for some time, thats why I ask. Regards, Lars Jacobsen Merkur-Trykk AS Stanseveien 9, N-0901 Oslo Tlf.: +47 23 33 92 31 www.merkurtrykk.no Den 11. mars. 2009 kl. 09.50 skrev Meinecke, Karl Michael (bvdm): Michael, The printing condition PT4 uncoated "FOGRA29" (CharData) was created in 2003. Current CIELAB target values are given in ISO 12647-2:2004 Amendment1 (published 2007-04-17) www.iso.org. Changes mainly in secondaries R,G,B and CMY overprint, compared to ISO 12647-2:2004. Secondaries are informative only (not normative) in the ISO standard. A new/updated printing condition for uncoated paper (PT4) is under construction and will be published later this year. PS: What do you mean with "guidelines of BvdM"? Best regards Karl Michael Meinecke Bundesverband Druck und Medien e.V. (bvdm) German Printing and Media Industries Federation (bvdm) Biebricher Allee 79 | D-65187 Wiesbaden Fon +49(0)611 80 31 68 | Fax +49(0)611 80 32 68 mailto:km@bvdm-online.de | URL www.bvdm-online.de ATS | Altona Test Suite Application Kit www.altonatestsuite.com R16 | roman16 bvdm Reference Images www.roman16.com ________________________________ Von: eci-en-bounces(a)lists.callassoftware.com [mailto:eci-en-bounces@lists.callassoftware.com] Im Auftrag von Michael van den Heerik Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. März 2009 06:17 An: eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com Betreff: [ECI-EN] Variance in Lab target values between Fogra and BvdM Does anyone know why there is a substantial difference between the Lab target values in PT4 between Fogra29 and the guidelines of BvdM and which one is advisable to be followed for PT4? Thanks, Michael van den Heerik Production Group Director The Jupitor Drawing Room - Cape Town _______________________________________________ ECI-EN mailing list ECI-EN(a)lists.callassoftware.com http://lists.callassoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/eci-en