Hello,
Thanks for this excellent explain Juergen :)
« has developed through decades based on the high quality print output in
publication gravure. One power of the Gravure printing process is the
intensity and gloss that a gravure ink recipe delivers on dark colors or
image content.
You'll not get that density in a traditional Offset print.
This brilliance and power of a gravure printed image is partly achieved
through a lot of ink and varnish on paper.
Therefore TAC was set high. »
OK : In a technical point of view, print with 360% TAC is not a problem.
"Depending on the printed job and due to improved separation algorithms in
prepress, most of the jobs would today print with lower TAC. »
Effectively, most of the printers we work with want a lower TAC that 360%.
"One other pro-aspect for a high TAC is the retouching quality.
In a ECI-PSR-separation you are getting very even separations with CMY
that goes harmoniously stronger into the dark end of an image.
With many separations that are using a lower TAC from scratch, you get
inversions of CMY in the dark ends ... and that’s not helpful at all for
any CMYK-to-CMYK retouch or adjustment. (that’s why retouch should be in
RGB ;-))"
200% agree
Thanks
Hervé
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Le 16/04/2015 16:56, « Juergen Seitz » <Juergen.Seitz(a)gmgcolor.com> a
écrit :
Salut Hervé,
PSR (Process Standard Rotogravure)
has developed through decades based on the high quality print output in
publication gravure. One power of the Gravure printing process is the
intensity and gloss that a gravure ink recipe delivers on dark colors or
image content.
You'll not get that density in a traditional Offset print.
This brilliance and power of a gravure printed image is partly achieved
through a lot of ink and varnish on paper.
Therefore TAC was set high.
Depending on the printed job and due to improved separation algorithms in
prepress, most of the jobs would today print with lower TAC.
A final job-/engraving-/ink recipe-/paper-dependent optimal separation
and TAC is mostly done in the best way in the prepress at the printers
... as they know best their conditions and capabilities.
One other pro-aspect for a high TAC is the retouching quality. In a
ECI-PSR-separation you are getting very even separations with CMY that
goes harmoniously stronger into the dark end of an image. With many
separations that are using a lower TAC from scratch, you get inversions
of CMY in the dark ends ... and that’s not helpful at all for any
CMYK-to-CMYK retouch or adjustment. (that’s why retouch should be in RGB
;-))
Cheers
Juergen
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Betreff: Re: [ECI-EN] Question about ICC profiles provided by ECI
Hello,
I have many questions, I post one by one.
1st - PSR :
The PSR ICC profils provided by ECI have a TAC 360%.
We work with many printer house (imprimeur) in Europe, but they want a
TAC at 270/280% for SC and LWC papier.
If we use TAC 360% the document is separated with color serveur to lower
the TAC by the printer.
Why the ECI profils have a TAC as up 360% ?
Sorry for my bad english.
Hervé
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Date : jeudi 16 avril 2015 14:37
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Cc : Olaf Drümmer <olaflist(a)callassoftware.com> Objet : Re: [ECI-EN]
Question about ICC profiles provided by ECI
Just ask!
Olaf
On 16 Apr 2015, at 14:09, "LYAUDET, Herve" <h.lyaudet(a)altavia-paris.com>
wrote:
Hi all,
I need professional advice on the black generation and TAC of ICC
profiles provided by ECI.
May someone help me ?
Thank.
Hervé
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