Hello, Raymond, Am 15.04.2004 um 12:08 schrieb Raymond: I do not know if there are differences. But more and more german printers are already using or at least planning to use the international ISO 12647-2 as their printing standard. Frankly, I do not know what the situation in the netherlands is. The measurements were made in Germany, but where is the difference? I just assume that you are probably referring to the actual prints: they were made by ONE printing company. The approach which was chosen was not to find an average printing condition which measures as many prints as possible from as many sources as possible and find the least common denominator, but to "hit" the values in the ISO standard. The prints (which reached this goal really well!), were then measured by about 7 or 8 different parties (just to make sure everybody measures similar values) with similar hardware (spectrolino). These measurements (of the same printing samples) were the starting point for the characterization data you can download and which is also the base for the Profiles. So, everybody who is capable of printing according to the ISO 12647-2 will be able to produce good results that will match closely to proofs manufactured according to this standard (assuming that the proofing system used the characterization data!). And this is not a local thing, but should work everywhere all over the world. Of course, the ISO 12647-2 might not have the support in the US (SWOP) or Japan (Toyo), but still, it's the only ISO standard for Offset printing available. To my knowledge - and somebody should please correct me if I'm wrong: The profiles in Photoshop do not use the same colors for the primaries (CMYK), they (as far as I know) use primaries specified by an older standard (the old Euroscale). Best regards, Dieter Dolezal -- Hirte Medien-Service GmbH & Co. KG Dieter Dolezal Borsteler Chaussee 85-99a Haus 17, Gewerbegebiet 22453 Hamburg Voice: +49-(0)40-51497469 Fax: +49-(0)40-5118059 Mobile: +49-(0)177-5595276 route: http://www.stadtplandienst.de/link.asp? key=99ecbc6f5d660cdb97be09656dcb2820

national things are out, international is here since 1996. The present profiles conform to the revised standard ISO/DIS 12647-2 Regards Mit freundl. Gru?en Fred Dolezalek Dr. Friedr. Dolezalek FOGRA, Graphic Techn. FOGRA Forschungsges. Research Association Druck e.V. dolezalek at fogra.org Tel. +49-89-43182-311, Fax +49-89-43182-100 PO. Box 80 04 69, D-81604 Muenchen, Germany Streitfeldstr. 19, D-81673 Muenchen, Germany -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: eci-en-admin(a)lists.transmedia.de [mailto:eci-en-admin@lists.transmedia.de]Im Auftrag von Peter Kleinheider Gesendet: 15. April 2004 22:03 An: eci-en(a)lists.transmedia.de Betreff: Re: [ECI-EN] Printing Holland and Germany Raymond At which standard are your printers work at the moment? Which color are they using? I assume they buy from the same vendors as the germans (or the austrians here) do. What are the aim dotgains? How do they determine their aim densities for process color ink solids? If the dotgains are around 14% (for a 50% tone value on the plate) for coated paper on a shet feed offset press, you will find these profiles to be usable. BTW: I will do a Tutorial at Seybold Amsterdam on Sunday Afternoon where theese issues get coverd best regards/mit freundlichen Gru:ssen Inpetto - Peter Kleinheider PrePress Consultant & Workflow Programming St. Po:ltnerstr. 26 3130 Herzogenburg AUSTRIA ________________________________ Mobil: +43/650/2600099 peter(a)inpetto.cc _______________________________________________ ECI-EN mailing list ECI-EN(a)lists.transmedia.de http://lists.transmedia.de/mailman/listinfo/eci-en