4:26 p.m.
It depends on the printers you work with and how you prepare your PDFs in the first
place.
It’s possible to detect the images being ISO Coated v2 in your PDFs and to convert them
appropriately to PSO Coated v3 on import.
But not all printers have the skills to do so or are willing to do so, in my very humble
experience.
/ Roger Breton
www.graxx.ca
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Subject: [ECI-EN] PSO Coated v3 or ISO coated v2
Dear …,
As I’m working at a graphic design agency where we most of the time create packaging
designs for our clients, I was wondering which colour profile we should use as default
CMYK
colour profile. At this moment all our applications use ISO coated v2 as default CMYK
profile.
But on your website I see a new CMYK colour profile is available for offset printing.
Should we switch to PSO Coated v3 or stay at ISO coated v2 for the moment?
Kind regards,
Frens Veldstra
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Dear Frens,
the difference between PSO Coated v3 and ISO coated v2 is that PSO Coated v3 regards the
UV-enabled fluorescence of papers containing optical brightening agents (OBA). Roger
mentioned skills: The printer should have an appropriate workflow, i.e. be able to create
a brightened colour proof, to view under lighting conditions with a defined UV portion and
to measure the fluorescence effect (M1 mode) with an appropriate spectrophotometer. Then
the same viewing conditions should be available in your company for the visual comparison
of colour proofs and prints.
But in packaging printing, folding boxboards and other white substrates mostly does not
contain OBA. So you should be safe with ISO coated v2, i.e. there is no reason to change
the profile or conditions. Nevertheless, there are DeviceLink profiles to switch between
v2 and v3 profiles easily.
Best regards,
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It depends on the printers you work with and how you prepare your PDFs in the first
place.
It’s possible to detect the images being ISO Coated v2 in your PDFs and to convert them
appropriately to PSO Coated v3 on import.
But not all printers have the skills to do so or are willing to do so, in my very humble
experience.
/ Roger Breton
www.graxx.ca<http://www.graxx.ca>
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Subject: [ECI-EN] PSO Coated v3 or ISO coated v2
Dear …,
As I’m working at a graphic design agency where we most of the time create packaging
designs for our clients, I was wondering which colour profile we should use as default
CMYK
colour profile. At this moment all our applications use ISO coated v2 as default CMYK
profile.
But on your website I see a new CMYK colour profile is available for offset printing.
Should we switch to PSO Coated v3 or stay at ISO coated v2 for the moment?
Kind regards,
Frens Veldstra
Mountain
Scheveningseweg 42
2517 KV, The Hague
The Netherlands
www.mountain.nl<http://www.mountain.nl>
+31 (0)70 302 20 80
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9:03 a.m.
New subject: PSO Coated v3 or ISO coated v2
Frens,
your work is mainly "packaging", you say. Flexible or Fibre? Flexo, Gravure or
Litho?
Should you design for other processes than litho on gc, there might be better workflows.
More often than not, spot colours will be involved,
white will be printed instead of paper white, and from time to time, one of the three
colours C,M,Y will be replaced by a close spot colour.
These workflows then will probably be handled by specialized prepress suppliers.
If you work on such projects, you may also familiarise yourself with pac.space [1,2], or
ask if it makes sense to even communicate pictures
in AdobeRGB.
Depending on the printing process, it maky make sense to keep the colour images in a
bigger gamut as long as possible, instead of losing the
information in the early stages to make sure you can use the full potential provided by
the printing process. If your process works by
replacing CMYK with other colours, you need to talk this over anyway.
Setting up an improved workflow within a dynamic supply chain with prepress suppliers in
betweeen printers, designers and customers is yet
another problem, though.
best regards
Thomas
9:19 a.m.
New subject: PSO Coated v3 or ISO coated v2
Dieter,
But in packaging printing, folding boxboards and other
white substrates mostly does not contain OBA.
this heavily depends on the type of packaging.
I have a list of 120 carton boards ranging from yellow (CIELAB D50/2° 95/0/5) to blue
(CIELAB D50/2° 96.5/2.1/-7.8).
Average is b*= - 3.5
So there is a good chance that there are OBAs involved depending on the chosen board.
Best regards
Claas
10:06 a.m.
New subject: PSO Coated v3 or ISO coated v2
Hi Claas,
OK, it seems that the folding boxboard manufacturer are meanwhile “infected” by the OBA
hype in graphic papers. In the past, a moderate fluorescence was an absolute exception, as
we heard from many German folding boxboard printers. That’s why they are not so much
interested in a switch to PSO Coated v3.
Best regards,
Dieter
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Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. November 2018 09:19
An: eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com
Betreff: Re: [ECI-EN] PSO Coated v3 or ISO coated v2
Dieter,
But in packaging printing, folding boxboards and other white substrates mostly does not
contain OBA.
this heavily depends on the type of packaging.
I have a list of 120 carton boards ranging from yellow (CIELAB D50/2° 95/0/5) to blue
(CIELAB D50/2° 96.5/2.1/-7.8).
Average is b*= - 3.5
So there is a good chance that there are OBAs involved depending on the chosen board.
Best regards
Claas
12:15 p.m.
New subject: PSO Coated v3 or ISO coated v2
Annex.
In the absence of fluorescence of the material, the data of the
spectrophotometer behind the filters M0 and M1 and M2 are equal.
Best regards, Mikhail
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