Send ECI-EN mailing list submissions to eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.callassoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/eci-en or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to eci-en-request(a)lists.callassoftware.com You can reach the person managing the list at eci-en-owner(a)lists.callassoftware.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ECI-EN digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Heatset and Fogra 39 (Nagy P?ter) 2. Re: Heatset and Fogra39? (fpenalver(a)litografiaroses.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:55:00 +0100 From: Nagy P?ter <peter(a)colorcom.hu> Subject: Re: [ECI-EN] Heatset and Fogra 39 To: eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com Message-ID: <795107B0-D79C-45F1-9800-FFC856A05F7A(a)colorcom.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Lars, this is a frequent problem in our production too. Number 2 should be the best way to go as Magnus stated. I should add that it's best to use some heavy-duty solution for the DVL conversion like GMG Colorserver, as this product not simply does a Colorimetric conversion, but tries to achieve the same "look and feel" and visual apperance on the target medium. This is very important, because the heat-set papers always more grayish than you use for the sheet-fed presses, and GMG may correct for the lowered contrast and smaller gamut. Moreover, try to persuade the web printing house to embrace the new Fogra 45 and 46 standards. They're much more closer to the real thing and to Fogra 39 too. Hope this helps, regards, Peter Nagy Colorcom Media ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:38:28 +0100 From: <fpenalver(a)litografiaroses.com> Subject: Re: [ECI-EN] Heatset and Fogra39? To: <eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com> Message-ID: <2A6AA17CBBDA6349B5DDB5B5B54B56DB03408F54(a)hermes.roses.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Lars My answer to question #1: Yes. We produce several magazines with heatset web presses and according to ISO 12647-2, and we're using the well-known icc profile from the ECI: ISO Coated v2 300% (Fogra39) on Galerie Fine paper. I would like to add that I was said that M-real has categorised its Galerie Range according to paper groups in ISO 12647-2, and they also have created Galerie Fine specific ICC profile from the FOGRA39 data, optimised for heatset printing according to ISO 12647-2. We have never tested that profile, but I presume that working with that specific profile, you should get best quality. Kind regards, Ferran Pe?alver Prepress Area | LITOGRAFIA ROS?S, S.A. ? ________________________________________ De: eci-en-bounces(a)lists.callassoftware.com [mailto: eci-en-bounces(a)lists.callassoftware.com] En nombre de Lars Jacobsen Enviado el: viernes, 20 de noviembre de 2009 14:36 Para: eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com Asunto: [ECI-EN] Heatset and Fogra39? Hi listmembers, I represent a sheetfed printing company. One of our customers is a heatset web printing company and we print covers for their magazines. We print very close to Fogra39, our proofs are mostly spot on and we document and adjust our production with Bodoni pressSIGN software. Our customer is happy, but often they have spread adds going from Cover page 2 and over on the heatset web body page 3. The body is produced on a Goss press on Galeri Fine Gloss and (they think at least) according to Fogra28. As far as I know this paper is not like Fogra28 and Fogra28 is replaced...anyway...I see three ways to get a close match between our Fogra39 page and their heatset page if we say they can manage colors: 1. Is it possible to produce acording to Fogra39 on Galerie Fine Gloss on a Goss press (ISO coated v2_300)? This would be the easy way and give the best quality. 2. Color conversion from Customer press ICC profile to?Fogra39 with Device Link profiles. We still produce according to Fogra39. Colors on?cover page 2 and 3 are shrinked to heatset web on file level. 3. We simulate Customer press ICC by lowering gamut and gaining dotgain with TVI curves. ?Hard way, lot of work for prepress, press and requires two proofs. Not a good solution. I?m hoping for answers that says that is possible to produce according to Fogra39 in heatset web. Thanks, Lars. ___________________________________ www.litografiaroses.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ ECI-EN mailing list ECI-EN(a)lists.callassoftware.com http://lists.callassoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/eci-en End of ECI-EN Digest, Vol 39, Issue 2 *************************************