4:12 p.m.
Well, one of my customers, it's going to print a test job with some images
like the Altona test suit ones, some special color patches, an ECI 2002
color chart, but his question is: Witch are the standard densities to print
with UVI inks on polypropylene and PVC medias?, is there any ISO applicable
to the packaging sector?.
Best regards.
Leon B. Garcia
PSP
5:27 p.m.
The aim values in ISO 12647-2 are Lab values (not densities anymore). You
(or your customer) will have to make test print runs with varying
densities, measure the appropriate patches and find out which density
value come closest to the Lab aim values. Those density values will be
the right ones for doing process control (i.e. these are _your_/_your
customer's_ density aim values) on that specific press setup, using those
specific inks on that specific substrate.
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ip(a)es-psp.com wrote Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:12:00 +0100
Well, one of my customers, it's going to print a
test job with some images
like the Altona test suit ones, some special color patches, an ECI 2002
color chart, but his question is: Witch are the standard densities to print
with UVI inks on polypropylene and PVC medias?, is there any ISO applicable
to the packaging sector?.
Best regards.
Leon B. Garcia
PSP
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6:49 p.m.
New subject: ECI/bvbm Grey Control Strip (M) Fogra 27
Hi
Is there ant English documentation on the use of this control strip?
Also can I ask why the 50%, and 70% patches were chosen over the 40% (quoted
as 50% 40% 40%) and 80% which are highlighted in the Altona documentation?
And where can this chart be downloaded?
Many thanks
Paul Sherfield
The Missing Horse Consultancy Ltd
Telephone: 01442 871752
Mobile: 07899 906385
http://www.missinghorsecons.co.uk
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New subject: ECI/bvbm Grey Control Strip (M) Fogra 27
Hi Paul,
the English documentation is still being worked on and should become
available early next year (end of January at the latest).
Your question why certain percentages have been chosen will have to be
answered by somebody else (I am not that much of a print guy...).
The gray balance control strip can be downloaded in the German download
section, here is the direct link to the nearly 6 MB file (documentation
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paul(a)missinghorsecons.co.uk wrote Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:49:40 +0000
Hi
Is there ant English documentation on the use of this control strip?
Also can I ask why the 50%, and 70% patches were chosen over the 40% (quoted
as 50% 40% 40%) and 80% which are highlighted in the Altona documentation?
And where can this chart be downloaded?
Many thanks
Paul Sherfield
The Missing Horse Consultancy Ltd
Telephone: 01442 871752
Mobile: 07899 906385
http://www.missinghorsecons.co.uk
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New subject: ECI/bvbm Grey Control Strip (M) Fogra 27
Thanks Olaf
Back to the school boy German then!
Have a great Christmas
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New subject: AW: UVI print question
ISO 12647-6 flexo is under construction.
Investigate whether one of the offset pritning conditions
comes close, then edit the pertinent eci profile accordingly
Regards Mit freundl. Gru?en
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[mailto:eci-en-admin@lists.transmedia.de]Im Auftrag von ip PSP
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An: eci
Betreff: [ECI-EN] UVI print question
Well, one of my customers, it's going to print a test job with some images
like the Altona test suit ones, some special color patches, an ECI 2002
color chart, but his question is: Witch are the standard densities to print
with UVI inks on polypropylene and PVC medias?, is there any ISO applicable
to the packaging sector?.
Best regards.
Leon B. Garcia
PSP
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7:02 p.m.
New subject: AW: UVI print question
Hi
Is one allowed to edit or rename the ISO CMYK profiles?
Regards
Paul Sherfield
The Missing Horse Consultancy Ltd
Telephone: 01442 871752
Mobile: 07899 906385
7:58 p.m.
New subject: Re(2): AW: UVI print question
For your personal you can do whatever you wish - nevertheless I'd
recommend against renaming the profiles as it will easily create
unnecessary confusion.
In any case you are not allowed to distribute modified versions of the
profile.
If you feel you need to brew your own thing, you can still use the FOGRA
measurement data and create your own profiles.
Olaf Druemmer
Chairman European Color Initative
paul(a)missinghorsecons.co.uk wrote Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:02:53 +0000
Hi
Is one allowed to edit or rename the ISO CMYK profiles?
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Paul Sherfield
The Missing Horse Consultancy Ltd
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12:08 p.m.
El 23/11/04 19:58, "Olaf Drümmer" <o.druemmer(a)callassoftware.com>
escribió:
For your personal you can do whatever you wish -
nevertheless I'd
recommend against renaming the profiles as it will easily create
unnecessary confusion.
In any case you are not allowed to distribute modified versions of the
profile.
If you feel you need to brew your own thing, you can still use the FOGRA
measurement data and create your own profiles.
Olaf Druemmer
Chairman European Color Initative
paul(a)missinghorsecons.co.uk wrote Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:02:53 +0000
I've been talking with my
customer and we've thought that we can make our
own printing test with the ISO 12647-2 and 12647-6 specifications or rules
as the begining but never editing an ISO ICC Profile.
Regards
Leon B. Garcia
PSP
Proveedores de Servicios de Preimpresion / Pre-press Services Providers
ip(a)es-psp.com
+34 911 450 100
Spain
Hi
Is one allowed to edit or rename the ISO CMYK profiles?
Regards
Paul Sherfield
The Missing Horse Consultancy Ltd
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Mobile: 07899 906385
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12:46 p.m.
Hello Leon
Due to the different printing inks and TVI's I think you have to make a
new Profile.
Have you yet checked the Lab Values of the solid color inks? How are
they compared to ISO 12647-2?
Peter
Am 24.11.2004 um 12:08 schrieb ip PSP:
El 23/11/04 19:58, "Olaf Drümmer"
<o.druemmer(a)callassoftware.com>
escribió:
For your personal you can do whatever you wish -
nevertheless I'd
recommend against renaming the profiles as it will easily create
unnecessary confusion.
In any case you are not allowed to distribute modified versions of the
profile.
If you feel you need to brew your own thing, you can still use the
FOGRA
measurement data and create your own profiles.
Olaf Druemmer
Chairman European Color Initative
paul(a)missinghorsecons.co.uk wrote Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:02:53 +0000
I've been talking with my
customer and we've thought that we can make
our
own printing test with the ISO 12647-2 and 12647-6 specifications or
rules
as the begining but never editing an ISO ICC Profile.
Regards
Leon B. Garcia
PSP
Proveedores de Servicios de Preimpresion / Pre-press Services Providers
ip(a)es-psp.com
+34 911 450 100
Spain
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Is one allowed to edit or rename the ISO CMYK profiles?
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Paul Sherfield
The Missing Horse Consultancy Ltd
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Mobile: 07899 906385
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1:13 p.m.
Peter, I think my customer it's going to print in about 7 or 10 days because
the printing machine with this kind the ink and media it's in other place
(about 300 km.), far from his normal business central place.
I will maintain informed into what the client has decided to do and how to
do it.
Leon
PSP
El 24/11/04 12:46, "Peter Kleinheider" <pkleinheider(a)a1.net> escribió:
Hello Leon
Due to the different printing inks and TVI's I think you have to make a
new Profile.
Have you yet checked the Lab Values of the solid color inks? How are
they compared to ISO 12647-2?
Peter
Am 24.11.2004 um 12:08 schrieb ip PSP:
El 23/11/04 19:58, "Olaf Drümmer"
<o.druemmer(a)callassoftware.com>
escribió:
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http://lists.transmedia.de/mailman/listinfo/eci-en For your personal you can do whatever you wish -
nevertheless I'd
recommend against renaming the profiles as it will easily create
unnecessary confusion.
In any case you are not allowed to distribute modified versions of the
profile.
If you feel you need to brew your own thing, you can still use the
FOGRA
measurement data and create your own profiles.
Olaf Druemmer
Chairman European Color Initative
paul(a)missinghorsecons.co.uk wrote Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:02:53 +0000
I've been talking with my
customer and we've thought that we can make
our
own printing test with the ISO 12647-2 and 12647-6 specifications or
rules
as the begining but never editing an ISO ICC Profile.
Regards
Leon B. Garcia
PSP
Proveedores de Servicios de Preimpresion / Pre-press Services Providers
ip(a)es-psp.com
+34 911 450 100
Spain
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