7:45 p.m.
Yes, using
RelCol and BPC, within an automated RGB to CMYK workflow, gives
the best results with these profiles.
Paul Sherfield
Still purplish blues you say?
Roger Breton 
4:07 a.m.
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Paul,
Could we possibly share some test images? I'm thinking of the roman16 'blue'
image among others. I could send you a lo-res RGB image (in eciRGB) and
you'd convert it using basICcolor v2 coated profiles and I'll convert mine
using PrintOpen ISOCoatedv2. Then you can send me your converted images and
I'll post them on my web site for anyone to review. I'm really interested in
pursuing this issue.
Hi again Roger
We tested the Basicolor v2 coated profile against the ECI version on a
number of Adobe RGB images were the blue to purple issue had been commented
upon by the design team.
We reviewed the images, separated from Adobe RGB to both profiles and
proofed on an GMG driven Epson.
The Basicolor profile improved the blues in question and some reds.
Regards
Paul Sherfield
Roger Breton
8:20 a.m.
New subject: ECI-EN Digest, Vol 24, Issue 7
Hi all,
IMHO we should differentiate two scenarios:
a) the conventional setup where all these separation issues would be
noticed (at the latest) at the proof level or even in the design stage
(early and intermediate binding workflows). Among all notes and
corrections this would be "fixed" there.
b) if you work on a well calibration working desk and you create your
"intended colorimetry" (your look) on your screen/display than you
kinda expect a 1:1 communication of the appearance until the final
production run.
beside some well agree upon technical criteria (there is currently a
ICC white paper from the profile assessment working group under way)
we shouldn't be to pushy in judging profile out of context.
sincerely
Andy Kraushaar
On 12.02.2008, at 04:07, Roger Breton wrote:
Paul,
Could we possibly share some test images? I'm thinking of the
roman16 'blue'
image among others. I could send you a lo-res RGB image (in eciRGB)
and
you'd convert it using basICcolor v2 coated profiles and I'll
convert mine
using PrintOpen ISOCoatedv2. Then you can send me your converted
images and
I'll post them on my web site for anyone to review. I'm really
interested in
pursuing this issue.
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Hi again Roger
We tested the Basicolor v2 coated profile against the ECI version
on a
number of Adobe RGB images were the blue to purple issue had been
commented
upon by the design team.
We reviewed the images, separated from Adobe RGB to both profiles and
proofed on an GMG driven Epson.
The Basicolor profile improved the blues in question and some reds.
Regards
Paul Sherfield
Roger Breton
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Andrea,
I understand your point below and I am looking forward to read the report
when it comes out. And I have to say that judging colors on screen is
becoming more important BY THE DAY.
beside some well agree upon technical criteria (there
is currently a
ICC white paper from the profile assessment working group under way)
we shouldn't be to pushy in judging profile out of context.
sincerely
Andy Kraushaar
Roger Breton
6:08 p.m.
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Hello list,
At http://www.colormanagement.org you will find also a set of BasICColor
profiles for all worldwide printing standards with much stronger GCR in
the neutrals and a moderate GCR in the skintones (similar to eci
ISOcoatec_v2).
For all print buyer and prepress people, which have the need for really
neutral grays and a stable as possible print run, I recommend profiles
with stronger GCR as ECI and Adobe today provide. You could either use
the BasICColor profiles for free or make them yourself with the profiler
of your choice.
On interesting side aspect of the BasICColor profiles is their
saturation intent. In my personal view the rendring of this intent is
more in direction to relative colorimetric with blackpoint compensation
and a very slighlty and smooth punch in the saturated colors.
Just try it.
Regards
Jan-Peter
Paul Sherfield wrote:
Hi again Roger
We tested the Basicolor v2 coated profile against the ECI version on a
number of Adobe RGB images were the blue to purple issue had been commented
upon by the design team.
We reviewed the images, separated from Adobe RGB to both profiles and
proofed on an GMG driven Epson.
The Basicolor profile improved the blues in question and some reds.
Regards
Paul Sherfield
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Yes, using RelCol and BPC, within an automated RGB to
CMYK workflow, gives
the best results with these profiles.
Paul Sherfield
Still purplish blues you say?
Roger Breton
1:35 p.m.
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Danke shoën Jan-Peter!
I did not know about colormanagment.org (how is that possible ?). Paul, I
guess I'll be able to do my comparisons on the basis of these profiles after
all. Thank's for your comments and help anyway.
Sorry for the delay in my reply. I wanted to weigh my options.
I'll try to report my findings at some point ...
Roger Breton
Hello list,
At http://www.colormanagement.org you will find also a set of BasICColor
profiles for all worldwide printing standards with much stronger GCR in
the neutrals and a moderate GCR in the skintones (similar to eci
ISOcoatec_v2).
For all print buyer and prepress people, which have the need for really
neutral grays and a stable as possible print run, I recommend profiles
with stronger GCR as ECI and Adobe today provide. You could either use
the BasICColor profiles for free or make them yourself with the profiler
of your choice.
On interesting side aspect of the BasICColor profiles is their
saturation intent. In my personal view the rendring of this intent is
more in direction to relative colorimetric with blackpoint compensation
and a very slighlty and smooth punch in the saturated colors.
Just try it.
Regards
Jan-Peter
Paul Sherfield wrote:
>>> Yes, using RelCol and BPC, within an automated RGB to CMYK workflow, gives
>>> the best results with these profiles.
>>>
>>> Paul Sherfield
>>>
>> Still purplish blues you say?
>>
>> Roger Breton
>>
>
>
> Hi again Roger
>
> We tested the Basicolor v2 coated profile against the ECI version on a
> number of Adobe RGB images were the blue to purple issue had been commented
> upon by the design team.
>
> We reviewed the images, separated from Adobe RGB to both profiles and
> proofed on an GMG driven Epson.
>
> The Basicolor profile improved the blues in question and some reds.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul Sherfield
>
>
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