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Dear Mr. Sabastian, If possible I would like to get the report too. Regards. Marc Mahy email: marc.mahy(a)agfa.com <graycol.gif>"Anandaramakrishnan Srinivasan" &lt;anand07.s(a)gmail.com&gt; "Anandaramakrishnan Srinivasan" &lt;anand07.s(a)gmail.com&gt; Sent by: eci-en-bounces(a)lists.callassoftware.com 04/17/2008 02:49 PM Please respond to eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com <ecblank.gif> To <ecblank.gif> eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com <ecblank.gif> cc <ecblank.gif> <ecblank.gif> Subject <ecblank.gif> Re: [ECI-EN] ECI-EN Digest, Vol 26, Issue 7 <ecblank.gif> <ecblank.gif> Dear Mr sabastian Can you please send me the essay? Thanks and Regards Anand anand07.s(a)gmail.com On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:55 PM, <eci-en- request(a)lists.callassoftware.com&gt; wrote: Send ECI-EN mailing list submissions to eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.callassoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/eci-en or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to eci-en-request(a)lists.callassoftware.com You can reach the person managing the list at eci-en-owner(a)lists.callassoftware.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ECI-EN digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: ECI-EN Digest, Vol 26, Issue 6 (elango ae) 2. Re: ECI-EN Digest, Vol 26, Issue 6 (Louis Dery) 3. Re : ECI-EN Digest, Vol 26, Issue 6 (Axel Robert) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:43:54 +0100 (BST) From: elango ae &lt;elango_ae(a)yahoo.co.uk&gt; Subject: Re: [ECI-EN] ECI-EN Digest, Vol 26, Issue 6 To: eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com Message-ID: &lt;508214.18894.qm(a)web24310.mail.ird.yahoo.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Mr.Sabastian, I just presented this at a university where I have supervised a master student in the subject. I can send the essay from this engineer for them who wants it, on a personal level (email me). Cheers A Seb Can I get the essay by email (elango_ae(a)yahoo.co.uk) Thanks and regards Elango */ Academic traditions in the graphic biz is a interesting subject itself. I will bring this subject up here soon. On Wednesday, April 16, 2008, at 12:01PM, wrote: - of scientific calculation. order to prevent problems during printing and /or finishing. the TIC was not open for discussions: we could not alter it. (and not colours, by the way) electronically we where now able to decide what TIC we wanted. etc told us was "good". Same for uncoated and even for newsprint sometimes (at least in my company) until we learned more, usually from other people in the biz, and then we lowered the values for uncoated qualities. pattern as with the drum-scanners. until maybe five years back in history, generally speaking. then good quality. based on test-strips with CMYK, from 400% and down: visual checks etc. calculate the best possible TIC in a scientifical manner but still many colour gurus use the "good old default" values. For example: 300 to 350 for coated, 260 to 319 (ECI) for uncoated and 220 to 240 for newsprint. the tools, I have the tools and we use them. base a neutral black on around 340-350% and we reach L=10. in a or b. A engineer that I work with called this method JND, Just Noticeable Difference. hundred and thirty three)! In other words: we print neutral black with L=11 with 233%. colours, it is indvidual. A dark red can for example end up 244%. Normal ICC-profiles are in other words a compromise: the TIC will limit all colours to one top value for TIC. neutral black, around 180% with a better L-value then ISOnewspaper26v4 - but a dark red can in the same print reach 209%. is your opinion and experience regarding TIC? attachments/20080415/7bed32c0/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:41:14 +0200 From: Joerg Schober Subject: Re: [ECI-EN] ECI-EN Digest, Vol 26, Issue 5 To: eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com Message-ID: &lt;4805E5DA.6070104(a)redblue.de&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 16.04.2008 13:15 Uhr, Herr Spitfeure wrote: master student in the subject. I can send the essay from this engineer for them who wants it, on a personal level (email me). I'm intereted in the paper. I hope I can find there 'hard facts', until now I have seen only many words and promises. br, J?rg Schober > Cheers > A Seb -- J?rg Schober ______________________________ r e d b l u e Marketing GmbH Qualit?tsmanagement Helene-Wessel-Bogen 3 D-80939 Muenchen fon +49 89 316 92-625 fax +49 89 316 92-779 http://www.redblue.de ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:37:26 +0100 From: "Jones, Ken" Subject: [ECI-EN] Outputting FOGRA 27 files on a FOGRA 39 press To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi This is my first post, I found the lists hard to search, so forgive me if this has been answered elsewhere.. We have a print policy based on ISO 12647:2004 FOGRA 27 standard. However, one of our main print suppliers has moved to FOGRA 39 press conditions and is understandably struggling to output matching our FOGRA 27 proofs. What suggestions do you have of converting our FOGRA 27 PDF/X-1a files to their FOGRA 39 press conditions. This is something that we would want them to do. Thanks Ken Jones Acting Technical Pre-Press Manager Penguin Group (UK) 80 Strand, London, WC2R 0RL This email may contain confidential material. If you were not an intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies. We may monitor email to and from our network. This email was sent by a company within the corporate group owned by Pearson plc, registered office at 80 Strand, London WC2R 0RL, registered in England and Wales with company number 53723 and VAT number GB 278 5371 21. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.callassoftware.com/mailman/private/eci-en/ attachments/20080417/19148276/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:13:13 -0400 From: Louis Dery &lt;ldery(a)tglc.com&gt; Subject: Re: [ECI-EN] ECI-EN Digest, Vol 26, Issue 6 To: eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com Message-ID: &lt;1EB46CBA-2E9C-4D97-9747-01FBCBA57590(a)tglc.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi A Seb, About devicelink profile for ink saving and ink coverage reduction, if you want to send file to test the new PerfX Device Link Pro? software, just let me know. I am also interested about the essay. regards, Louis Dery TGLC inc. www.tglc.com On Apr 17, 2008, at 6:00 AM, eci-en-request(a)lists.callassoftware.com wrote: > > IN GENERAL REG THIS STUFF > The base of what I am talking about is of course a serious ICC- > profiling software. In my case the profilegenerator is built-in to > the software. > I have tried a few different programs that claim to "save ink" and/ > or convert for example colour standards to press. > Some work some don't. One saved 3% CMY (very useful, LOL). Most of > them "save ink" but some create new colours: of course you can save > ink if you make a blue sky gray... :-)) How much to you save if you > print BW? LOL! > I tried one (I keep to the subject and I avoid to mention names of > software as you have noticed), that do a good job from for example > F39 to F39 but if you alter the setting to F39 to press: crap. For > me that is not very serious. The user can then not adapt the job to > the press but only "save ink". I guess the problem is that the > manufacturer know how to convert but have no knowledge about colour > and printing. They probably made the factory settings with a > serious profiling software from another manufacturer but give no > tools to the user to make their own. > Conclusion reg this: if a software manufacturer can't even make a > decent ICC-profile, conventional or device link, how can they then > make a device link based software that is supposed to convert > colour and "save ink"? ;-) > In other words: when the poorest manufactures of ICC-profiling > softwares make "save ink", "optimal ink" etc solutions: think twice > before you purchase. > > Personally I do not talk about "save ink" but about optimal values > for all colours, and no acceptance of colour deviations accept for > 1 level in L, + being able to match the colour to the press. > > I just presented this at a university where I have supervised a > master student in the subject. I can send the essay from this > engineer for them who wants it, on a personal level (email me). > > Cheers > A Seb > > */ Academic traditions in the graphic biz is a interesting subject > itself. I will bring this subject up here soon. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:24:59 +0200 From: Axel Robert &lt;axel.robert(a)ubisoft.com&gt; Subject: [ECI-EN] Re : ECI-EN Digest, Vol 26, Issue 6 To: &lt;eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com&gt; Message-ID: &lt;C42D0E3B.3444%axel.robert(a)ubisoft.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello everyone, Can you tell us which software you use or you try? I'm running actually with a workflow who integrates device link profile. And it work very well. Kinds regards. Axel ROBERT | Print Quality Manager | Tel: +33 (0)1 48 18 52 03 | Cell: +33 (0)6 68 83 34 67 P Pensez au respect de l'environnement avant d?imprimer cet email. Think about the environment before printing this email. Le 17/04/08 14:13, ??Louis Dery?? &lt;ldery(a)tglc.com&gt; a ?crit?: > Hi A Seb, > > About devicelink profile for ink saving and ink coverage reduction, > if you want to send file to test the new PerfX Device Link Pro? > software, just let me know. > > I am also interested about the essay. > > regards, > > Louis Dery > TGLC inc. > www.tglc.com > On Apr 17, 2008, at 6:00 AM, eci-en-request(a)lists.callassoftware.com > wrote: >> >> IN GENERAL REG THIS STUFF >> The base of what I am talking about is of course a serious ICC- >> profiling software. In my case the profilegenerator is built-in to >> the software. >> I have tried a few different programs that claim to "save ink" and/ >> or convert for example colour standards to press. >> Some work some don't. One saved 3% CMY (very useful, LOL). Most of >> them "save ink" but some create new colours: of course you can save >> ink if you make a blue sky gray... :-)) How much to you save if you >> print BW? LOL! >> I tried one (I keep to the subject and I avoid to mention names of >> software as you have noticed), that do a good job from for example >> F39 to F39 but if you alter the setting to F39 to press: crap. For >> me that is not very serious. The user can then not adapt the job to >> the press but only "save ink". I guess the problem is that the >> manufacturer know how to convert but have no knowledge about colour >> and printing. They probably made the factory settings with a >> serious profiling software from another manufacturer but give no >> tools to the user to make their own. >> Conclusion reg this: if a software manufacturer can't even make a >> decent ICC-profile, conventional or device link, how can they then >> make a device link based software that is supposed to convert >> colour and "save ink"? ;-) >> In other words: when the poorest manufactures of ICC-profiling >> softwares make "save ink", "optimal ink" etc solutions: think twice >> before you purchase. >> >> Personally I do not talk about "save ink" but about optimal values >> for all colours, and no acceptance of colour deviations accept for >> 1 level in L, + being able to match the colour to the press. >> >> I just presented this at a university where I have supervised a >> master student in the subject. I can send the essay from this >> engineer for them who wants it, on a personal level (email me). >> >> Cheers >> A Seb >> >> */ Academic traditions in the graphic biz is a interesting subject >> itself. I will bring this subject up here soon. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > ECI-EN mailing list > ECI-EN(a)lists.callassoftware.com > http://lists.callassoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/eci-en -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.callassoftware.com/mailman/private/eci-en/ attachments/20080417/bdc9b0d2/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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