May I get a copy too?
Manuel
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:15:39
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Subject: Re: [ECI-EN] ECI-EN Digest, Vol 26, Issue 7
Mr. Sebastian
Interets too. Please, send a copy.
Thanks.
Esa Hyvärinen
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Mr Sebastian,
it also interests me. Can you send me a copy.
Thx
Steven Accou
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Dear Mr. Sabastian,
If possible I would like to get the report too.
Regards.
Marc Mahy
email: marc.mahy(a)agfa.com <mailto:marc.mahy@agfa.com>
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Dear Mr sabastian
Can you please send me the essay?
Thanks and Regards
Anand
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Dear Mr.Sabastian,
I just presented this at a university where I have supervised a master student in the
subject. I can send the essay from this engineer for them who wants it, on a personal
level (email me).
Cheers
A Seb
Can I get the essay by email (elango_ae(a)yahoo.co.uk)
Thanks and regards
Elango
*/ Academic traditions in the graphic biz is a interesting subject itself. I will bring
this subject up here soon.
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>Hi Sebastian,
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>In my view defining TIC- (or TAC) values cannot only be a matter of scientific
calculation.
>In many cases in practice TAC values have been brought down in order to prevent
problems during printing and /or finishing.
>(Like bad drying / smearing etc.)
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>Best regards,
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eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com,Internet writes:
>>I am new here. Hi all of you!
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>>Here is my first contribution; a question regarding:
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>>
>>Total Ink Coverage, TIC, for offset printing and the ink limits:
>>
>>
>>In the past, when I worked in a analogue photographic enlarger, the TIC was not
open for discussions: we could not alter it.
>>
>>When we bought a drum-scanner and where able to handle the values (and not
colours, by the way) electronically we where now able to decide what TIC we wanted.
>>The TIC's used where based on what people from Crosfield, Hell etc told us
was "good".
>>For coated offset printing values around 375% where often used. Same for uncoated
and even for newsprint sometimes (at least in my company) until we learned more, usually
from other people in the biz, and then we lowered the values for uncoated qualities.
>>
>>Conclusion so far: TIC's where based on opinions and experience.
>>
>>Photoshop and other softwares where introduced and followed the pattern as with
the drum-scanners.
>>
>>ICC-technology appeared. Good ideas but not very high quality until maybe five
years back in history, generally speaking.
>>Initially the ICC-technology created more "colour gurus" rather then
good quality.
>>TIC's still based on opinions, "gray hair" and
"experience".
>>
>>Some people in the biz started to alter values for TIC, often based on
test-strips with CMYK, from 400% and down: visual checks etc.
>>
>>Now:
>>For several years we have had the technology to actually calculate the best
possible TIC in a scientifical manner but still many colour gurus use the "good old
default" values. For example: 300 to 350 for coated, 260 to 319 (ECI) for uncoated
and 220 to 240 for newsprint.
>>
>>Why do we not calculate the TIC's scientifically? Today we have the tools, I
have the tools and we use them.
>>
>>One example: for coated offset printed within ISO standards we base a neutral
black on around 340-350% and we reach L=10.
>>>From that we allow the calculation to deviate delta 1 in L, not in a or b. A
engineer that I work with called this method JND, Just Noticeable Difference.
>>This way we reach a TIC in neutral black that is 233% (two hundred and thirty
three)! In other words: we print neutral black with L=11 with 233%.
>>Note: This technology do not set the TIC limit to 233 for all colours, it is
indvidual. A dark red can for example end up 244%. Normal ICC-profiles are in other words
a compromise: the TIC will limit all colours to one top value for TIC.
>>One more example: for newsprint we have reached a TIC, for neutral black, around
180% with a better L-value then ISOnewspaper26v4 - but a dark red can in the same print
reach 209%.
>>And so on.
>>
>>So, good bye to "opinions", "gray hair" and
"experience" or what is your opinion and experience regarding TIC?
>>
>>Best regards
>>A Sebastian
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