Mr.Sebastian
Could I also have a copy?
Thank you so much
Aleix Vergés
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Asunto: Re: [ECI-EN] ECI-EN Digest, Vol 26, Issue 7
May I get a copy too?
Manuel
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Mr. Sebastian
Interets too. Please, send a copy.
Thanks.
Esa Hyvärinen
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Aihe: Re: [ECI-EN] ECI-EN Digest, Vol 26, Issue 7
Mr Sebastian,
it also interests me. Can you send me a copy.
Thx
Steven Accou
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Dear Mr. Sabastian,
If possible I would like to get the report too.
Regards.
Marc Mahy
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Can you please send me the essay?
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Dear Mr.Sabastian,
I just presented this at a university where I have supervised a master
student in the subject. I can send the essay from this engineer for them who
wants it, on a personal level (email me).
Cheers
A Seb
Can I get the essay by email (elango_ae(a)yahoo.co.uk)
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Elango
*/ Academic traditions in the graphic biz is a interesting subject itself.
I will bring this subject up here soon.
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Hi Sebastian,
In my view defining TIC- (or TAC) values cannot only be a matter of
scientific
calculation.
In many cases in practice TAC values have been brought
down in order to
prevent problems during printing and /or finishing.
(Like bad drying / smearing etc.)
Best regards,
Jo Brunenberg
Senior Technology Consultant
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eci-en(a)lists.callassoftware.com,Internet writes:
>I am new here. Hi all of you!
>
>Here is my first contribution; a question regarding:
>
>
>Total Ink Coverage, TIC, for offset printing and the ink limits:
>
>
>In the past, when I worked in a analogue photographic enlarger, the TIC
was not
open for discussions: we could not alter it.
>
>When we bought a drum-scanner and where able to handle the values (and
not
colours, by the way) electronically we where now able to decide what TIC
we wanted.
>The TIC's used where based on what people from
Crosfield, Hell etc told
us was "good".
>For coated offset printing values around 375% where
often used. Same for
uncoated and even for newsprint sometimes (at least in my
company) until we
learned more, usually from other people in the biz, and then we lowered the
values for uncoated qualities.
>
>Conclusion so far: TIC's where based on opinions and experience.
>
>Photoshop and other softwares where introduced and followed the pattern
as with
the drum-scanners.
>
>ICC-technology appeared. Good ideas but not very high quality until maybe
five
years back in history, generally speaking.
>Initially the ICC-technology created more
"colour gurus" rather then good
quality.
>TIC's still based on opinions, "gray
hair" and "experience".
>
>Some people in the biz started to alter values for TIC, often based on
test-strips with CMYK, from 400% and down: visual checks etc.
>
>Now:
>For several years we have had the technology to actually calculate the
best
possible TIC in a scientifical manner but still many colour gurus use
the "good old default" values. For example: 300 to 350 for coated, 260 to
319 (ECI) for uncoated and 220 to 240 for newsprint.
>
>Why do we not calculate the TIC's scientifically? Today we have the
tools, I
have the tools and we use them.
>
>One example: for coated offset printed within ISO standards we base a
neutral
black on around 340-350% and we reach L=10.
>>From that we allow the calculation to deviate
delta 1 in L, not in a or
b. A engineer that I work with called this method JND,
Just Noticeable
Difference.
>This way we reach a TIC in neutral black that is
233% (two hundred and
thirty three)! In other words: we print neutral black with
L=11 with 233%.
>Note: This technology do not set the TIC limit to
233 for all colours, it
is indvidual. A dark red can for example end up 244%. Normal
ICC-profiles
are in other words a compromise: the TIC will limit all colours to one top
value for TIC.
>One more example: for newsprint we have reached a
TIC, for neutral black,
around 180% with a better L-value then ISOnewspaper26v4 -
but a dark red can
in the same print reach 209%.
>And so on.
>
>So, good bye to "opinions", "gray hair" and "experience"
or what is your
opinion and experience regarding TIC?
>>
>>Best regards
>>A Sebastian
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