At 10:20 21-3-2005 +0000, Paul Sherfield wrote:

Yes, a point on the Pantone involvement in ISO 12647/2? When are Pantone
going to publish a Solid to Process guide that reflects the ISO standard
printing conditions for, say,  type 1 and 2 papers. The current Pantone to
Euro guide matches no known printing conditions, Euro or ISO!

Paul.
John Stanzione (Pantone US) gave this information.:
In a separate e-mail he confirmed that the Pantone inks used for both Process Guides (US and EURO) are ISO 2846-1 compliant.
You can see that Pantone Euro printed material does not exactly match ISO 12647-2:2004.
I think Pantone will deliver Pantone ISO CMYK Process Guides if we insist on that.
That however means that all parties have to agree that they will use these standards.
Ask your local printers association and prepress or premedia association to agree on the implementation of the ISO 12647-2 workflow.
If all agree Pantone will follow. They are marketing driven and will (finally) deliver what their customers ask.
Right now it seems to early for them to add another CMYK ISO Process Color Guide to their program. Their distribution channel does not want to evangelize new workflows and standards. Right now that seems to complicated for them.
Pantone can be convinced by a large ISO 12747 user base.
So let's promote that!
Regards, Henk
At 08:32 11-2-2005 -0500, John Stanzione wrote:

The CMYK data (In the US) is based on the PANTONE solid to process guide coated.  Thus, the values are based on the workflow, which is clearly outlined in the copy pages of the printed Guide.  While the inkset used meets ISO requirements for SWOP, the workflow does not necessarily conform to all components of SWOP.
 
Here is the information from the printed Guide (US):
 
Color Run Sequence and Screen angles:
 
K @ 45 degrees
C @15 degrees
M @ 75 degrees
Y @ 0 degrees
 
Wet Ink Target Densities:
Black 1.75
Cyan 1.30
Magenta 1.42
Yellow 1.00
 
Line Screen:
175 lines/inch
(69 lines/cm)
 
Paper stock:
#1 grade 60 lb. gloss coated cover stock
 
Dot Gain Target Measurements
          25%         50%          75%
Black  19            25             18
Cyan   14            24             15
Mag    14            21             15
Yel      12           19             14
 

 
As promised, here is the workflow information from the PANTONE solid to process guide coated EURO.  This is the workflow that was used to produce the EURO CMYK simulation values found in the PANTONE ColorCue:
 
Print rotation and Screen angles:
 
Black @ 45 degrees
Cyan @ 15 degrees
Magenta @ 75 degrees
Yellow @ 90 degrees
 
Wet Ink Target Densities
Measurements were taken
with non-polarized ISO
Staus T reflection density filters
Black 1.80
Cyan 1.52
Magenta 1.50
Yellow 1.00
 
Line screen
69 lines/cm
 
Paper Stock
162 g/m2 coated stock
 
Dot Gain Target Measurements
40% Middle Tone
17% +/- 3% CMY
18% +/- 3% K
 
80% Shadow Tone
12% +/- 2% CMYK
 
I hope you find this information helpful.
 
Best regards,
 
John Stanzione

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