Mr.
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Dear Mr. Sabastian,
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Dear Mr sabastian
Can you please send me
the essay?
Thanks and
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Dear Mr.Sabastian,
I just presented
this at a university where I have supervised a master student in the
subject. I can send the essay from this engineer for them who wants
it, on a personal level (email me).
Cheers
A Seb
Can I
get the essay by email (elango_ae@yahoo.co.uk)
Thanks
and regards
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is a interesting subject itself. I will bring this subject up here
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>Hi Sebastian,
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>In my
view defining TIC- (or TAC) values cannot only be a matter of
scientific calculation.
>In many cases in practice TAC values
have been brought down in order to prevent problems during printing
and /or finishing.
>(Like bad drying / smearing
etc.)
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>eci-en@lists.callassoftware.com,Internet writes:
>>I am new here. Hi all of
you!
>>
>>Here is my first contribution; a question
regarding:
>>
>>
>>Total Ink Coverage, TIC,
for offset printing and the ink
limits:
>>
>>
>>In the past, when I worked
in a analogue photographic enlarger, the TIC was not open for
discussions: we could not alter it.
>>
>>When we
bought a drum-scanner and where able to handle the values (and not
colours, by the way) electronically we where now able to decide what
TIC we wanted.
>>The TIC's used where based on what people
from Crosfield, Hell etc told us was "good".
>>For coated
offset printing values around 375% where often used. Same for uncoated
and even for newsprint sometimes (at least in my company) until we
learned more, usually from other people in the biz, and then we
lowered the values for uncoated
qualities.
>>
>>Conclusion so far: TIC's where based
on opinions and experience.
>>
>>Photoshop and other
softwares where introduced and followed the pattern as with the
drum-scanners.
>>
>>ICC-technology appeared. Good
ideas but not very high quality until maybe five years back in
history, generally speaking.
>>Initially the ICC-technology
created more "colour gurus" rather then good quality.
>>TIC's
still based on opinions, "gray hair" and
"experience".
>>
>>Some people in the biz started to
alter values for TIC, often based on test-strips with CMYK, from 400%
and down: visual checks
etc.
>>
>>Now:
>>For several years we have
had the technology to actually calculate the best possible TIC in a
scientifical manner but still many colour gurus use the "good old
default" values. For example: 300 to 350 for coated, 260 to 319 (ECI)
for uncoated and 220 to 240 for newsprint.
>>
>>Why
do we not calculate the TIC's scientifically? Today we have the tools,
I have the tools and we use them.
>>
>>One example:
for coated offset printed within ISO standards we base a neutral black
on around 340-350% and we reach L=10.
>>>From that we
allow the calculation to deviate delta 1 in L, not in a or b. A
engineer that I work with called this method JND, Just Noticeable
Difference.
>>This way we reach a TIC in neutral black that
is 233% (two hundred and thirty three)! In other words: we print
neutral black with L=11 with 233%.
>>Note: This technology do
not set the TIC limit to 233 for all colours, it is indvidual. A dark
red can for example end up 244%. Normal ICC-profiles are in other
words a compromise: the TIC will limit all colours to one top value
for TIC.
>>One more example: for newsprint we have reached a
TIC, for neutral black, around 180% with a better L-value then
ISOnewspaper26v4 - but a dark red can in the same print reach
209%.
>>And so on.
>>
>>So, good bye to
"opinions", "gray hair" and "experience" or what is your opinion and
experience regarding TIC?
>>
>>Best
regards
>>A
Sebastian
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:41:14 +0200
From: Joerg
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On 16.04.2008 13:15 Uhr, Herr Spitfeure
wrote:
> I just presented this at a university where I have
supervised a master student in the subject. I can send the essay from
this engineer for them who wants it, on a personal level (email
me).
>
>
I'm intereted in the paper. I hope I can find
there 'hard facts', until
now I have seen only many words and
promises.
br,
J?rg Schober
> Cheers
> A
Seb
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>
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:37:26 +0100
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Subject: [ECI-EN] Outputting FOGRA 27 files on a FOGRA 39
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Hi
This is my first post, I found the
lists hard to search, so forgive me if
this has been answered
elsewhere..
We have a print policy based on ISO 12647:2004
FOGRA 27 standard.
However, one of our main print suppliers has
moved to FOGRA 39 press
conditions and is understandably struggling
to output matching our FOGRA 27
proofs.
What suggestions do you
have of converting our FOGRA 27 PDF/X-1a files to
their FOGRA 39
press conditions. This is something that we would want them
to
do.
Thanks
Ken Jones
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:13:13 -0400
From: Louis Dery
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Subject: Re:
[ECI-EN] ECI-EN Digest, Vol 26, Issue 6
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Hi A Seb,
About devicelink
profile for ink saving and ink coverage reduction,
if you want to
send file to test the new PerfX Device Link Pro?
software, just let
me know.
I am also interested about the
essay.
regards,
Louis Dery
TGLC inc.
www.tglc.com
On Apr 17,
2008, at 6:00 AM, eci-en-request@lists.callassoftware.com
wrote:
>
> IN GENERAL REG THIS STUFF
>
The base of what I am talking about is of course a serious
ICC-
> profiling software. In my case the profilegenerator is
built-in to
> the software.
> I have tried a few different
programs that claim to "save ink" and/
> or convert for example
colour standards to press.
> Some work some don't. One saved 3%
CMY (very useful, LOL). Most of
> them "save ink" but some
create new colours: of course you can save
> ink if you make a
blue sky gray... :-)) How much to you save if you
> print BW?
LOL!
> I tried one (I keep to the subject and I avoid to mention
names of
> software as you have noticed), that do a good job
from for example
> F39 to F39 but if you alter the setting to
F39 to press: crap. For
> me that is not very serious. The user
can then not adapt the job to
> the press but only "save ink". I
guess the problem is that the
> manufacturer know how to convert
but have no knowledge about colour
> and printing. They probably
made the factory settings with a
> serious profiling software
from another manufacturer but give no
> tools to the user to
make their own.
> Conclusion reg this: if a software
manufacturer can't even make a
> decent ICC-profile,
conventional or device link, how can they then
> make a device
link based software that is supposed to convert
> colour and
"save ink"? ;-)
> In other words: when the poorest manufactures
of ICC-profiling
> softwares make "save ink", "optimal ink" etc
solutions: think twice
> before you purchase.
>
>
Personally I do not talk about "save ink" but about optimal
values
> for all colours, and no acceptance of colour deviations
accept for
> 1 level in L, + being able to match the colour to
the press.
>
> I just presented this at a university where
I have supervised a
> master student in the subject. I can send
the essay from this
> engineer for them who wants it, on a
personal level (email me).
>
> Cheers
> A
Seb
>
> */ Academic traditions in the graphic biz is a
interesting subject
> itself. I will bring this subject up here
soon.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:24:59 +0200
From: Axel Robert
<axel.robert@ubisoft.com>
Subject: [ECI-EN] Re : ECI-EN Digest, Vol 26, Issue
6
To: <eci-en@lists.callassoftware.com>
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Hello everyone,
Can you tell us
which software you use or you try?
I'm running actually with a
workflow who integrates device link profile.
And it work very
well.
Kinds regards.
Axel ROBERT | Print Quality
Manager |
Tel: +33 (0)1 48 18 52 03 | Cell: +33 (0)6 68 83 34
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Le 17/04/08 14:13, ??Louis Dery?? <ldery@tglc.com> a
?crit?:
> Hi A Seb,
>
> About devicelink profile
for ink saving and ink coverage reduction,
> if you want to send
file to test the new PerfX Device Link Pro?
> software, just let
me know.
>
> I am also interested about the
essay.
>
> regards,
>
> Louis Dery
>
TGLC inc.
> www.tglc.com
>
>
> On Apr 17, 2008, at 6:00 AM, eci-en-request@lists.callassoftware.com
> wrote:
>>
>> IN GENERAL REG THIS
STUFF
>> The base of what I am talking about is of course a
serious ICC-
>> profiling software. In my case the
profilegenerator is built-in to
>> the software.
>>
I have tried a few different programs that claim to "save ink"
and/
>> or convert for example colour standards to
press.
>> Some work some don't. One saved 3% CMY (very
useful, LOL). Most of
>> them "save ink" but some create new
colours: of course you can save
>> ink if you make a blue sky
gray... :-)) How much to you save if you
>> print BW?
LOL!
>> I tried one (I keep to the subject and I avoid to
mention names of
>> software as you have noticed), that do a
good job from for example
>> F39 to F39 but if you alter the
setting to F39 to press: crap. For
>> me that is not very
serious. The user can then not adapt the job to
>> the press
but only "save ink". I guess the problem is that the
>>
manufacturer know how to convert but have no knowledge about
colour
>> and printing. They probably made the factory
settings with a
>> serious profiling software from another
manufacturer but give no
>> tools to the user to make their
own.
>> Conclusion reg this: if a software manufacturer can't
even make a
>> decent ICC-profile, conventional or device
link, how can they then
>> make a device link based software
that is supposed to convert
>> colour and "save ink"?
;-)
>> In other words: when the poorest manufactures of
ICC-profiling
>> softwares make "save ink", "optimal ink" etc
solutions: think twice
>> before you
purchase.
>>
>> Personally I do not talk about "save
ink" but about optimal values
>> for all colours, and no
acceptance of colour deviations accept for
>> 1 level in L, +
being able to match the colour to the press.
>>
>> I
just presented this at a university where I have supervised
a
>> master student in the subject. I can send the essay from
this
>> engineer for them who wants it, on a personal level
(email me).
>>
>> Cheers
>> A
Seb
>>
>> */ Academic traditions in the graphic biz
is a interesting subject
>> itself. I will bring this subject
up here soon.
>>
>>
>
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