Dear Axel,

of course, my answer was only a pragmatical suggestion in order to bridge the time gap until ECI will be able to provide new “v3 laminate profiles”. And of course you are right, it cannot be the task of the printers  to calculate such special profiles or to carry out TVI experiments. J

Best regards,

Dieter

Von: eci-en-bounces@lists.callassoftware.com [mailto:eci-en-bounces@lists.callassoftware.com] Im Auftrag von Axel Robert
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Februar 2017 15:53
An: eci-en@lists.callassoftware.com
Betreff: Re: [ECI-EN] eci offset profiles surface finished.

Dear Dieter,

I am afraid that most of our printer would not be able to change anything in their own process;

especially with the curves adaptation in their own RIP.

This is, alas, what I too often hear around me.

And I also think it’s not devoted to the ordering customer to do this job. J

That is why I would like so much an ECI update.

Anyhow, many thanks for your clever and clear answer.

Regards.
Axel

From: <eci-en-bounces@lists.callassoftware.com> on behalf of "Kleeberg, Dieter (bvdm)" <dk@bvdm-online.de>
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Date: lundi 6 février 2017 11:39
To: "eci-en@lists.callassoftware.com" <eci-en@lists.callassoftware.com>
Subject: Re: [ECI-EN] eci offset profiles surface finished.

Dear Axel,

the need to create “v3 laminate profiles” may depend on the common progress in switching to F51 (and F52).

Apart from colorimetric differences, the main difference between F39 and F49/F50 is the epic reduction of TVIs:

F39 --> F49/F50 requires [curve A (40 % + 13 % = 53 % in CMY patches) and curve B (40 % + 16 % = 56 % in K patch)] –10 % = 43 % (CMY) and 46 % (K) by application of film. (Furthermore: –5…7 % by application of UV coat, –2…4 % by application of dispersion coat.)

If you already switched to the new printing conditions with all their changes in M1 measuring mode and D50 lighting, you could try to apply the TVI reductions to the F51 profile:

F51 by application of film would require curve A (40 % + 15,3 % = 55,3 % in CMYK patches)] –10 % = 45,3 % in the 40 % CMYK patches.

It’s not trivial but worth to find out how good the harmonized TVI curves would work with films.

Best regards,

Dieter

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Von: eci-en-bounces@lists.callassoftware.com [mailto:eci-en-bounces@lists.callassoftware.com] Im Auftrag von Axel Robert
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Februar 2017 09:12
An: eci-en@lists.callassoftware.com
Betreff: [ECI-EN] eci offset profiles surface finished.
Wichtigkeit: Hoch

Dear all,

I would like to obtain more information about the following ICC profiles:

PSO_Coated_v2_300_Glossy_laminate_eci.icc

PSO_Coated_v2_300_Matte_laminate_eci.icc

I partially switched from F39 to F51 and F47 to F52.

But I still use the former (aka F49 and F50).

Should I take into account they also will change since the new printing conditions?

Are they still relevant?

Or should they be adapted?

And if so, when or how?

Thank you for your answer.

Regards.

Axel

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