Hi Sebastian,

In my view defining TIC- (or TAC) values cannot only be a matter of scientific calculation.
In many cases in practice TAC values have been brought down in order to prevent problems during printing and /or finishing.
(Like bad drying / smearing etc.)

Best regards,
Jo Brunenberg
Senior Technology Consultant
ROTO SMEETS (RSDB)
www.rotosmeets.com
www.rsdb.com

eci-en@lists.callassoftware.com,Internet writes:
I am new here. Hi all of you!

Here is my first contribution; a question regarding:


Total Ink Coverage, TIC, for offset printing and the ink limits:


In the past, when I worked in a analogue photographic enlarger, the TIC was not open for discussions: we could not alter it.

When we bought a drum-scanner and where able to handle the values (and not colours, by the way) electronically we where now able to decide what TIC we wanted.
The TIC's used where based on what people from Crosfield, Hell etc told us was "good".
For coated offset printing values around 375% where often used. Same for uncoated and even for newsprint sometimes (at least in my company) until we learned more, usually from other people in the biz, and then we lowered the values for uncoated qualities.

Conclusion so far: TIC's where based on opinions and experience.

Photoshop and other softwares where introduced and followed the pattern as with the drum-scanners.

ICC-technology appeared. Good ideas but not very high quality until maybe five years back in history, generally speaking.
Initially the ICC-technology created more "colour gurus" rather then good quality.
TIC's still based on opinions, "gray hair" and "experience".

Some people in the biz started to alter values for TIC, often based on test-strips with CMYK, from 400% and down: visual checks etc.

Now:
For several years we have had the technology to actually calculate the best possible TIC in a scientifical manner but still many colour gurus use the "good old default" values. For example: 300 to 350 for coated, 260 to 319 (ECI) for uncoated and 220 to 240 for newsprint.

Why do we not calculate the TIC's scientifically? Today we have the tools, I have the tools and we use them.

One example: for coated offset printed within ISO standards we base a neutral black on around 340-350% and we reach L=10.
>From that we allow the calculation to deviate delta 1 in L, not in a or b. A engineer that I work with called this method JND, Just Noticeable Difference.
This way we reach a TIC in neutral black that is 233% (two hundred and thirty three)! In other words: we print neutral black with L=11 with 233%.
Note: This technology do not set the TIC limit to 233 for all colours, it is indvidual. A dark red can for example end up 244%. Normal ICC-profiles are in other words a compromise: the TIC will limit all colours to one top value for TIC.
One more example: for newsprint we have reached a TIC, for neutral black, around 180% with a better L-value then ISOnewspaper26v4 - but a dark red can in the same print reach 209%.
And so on.

So, good bye to "opinions", "gray hair" and "experience" or what is your opinion and experience regarding TIC?

Best regards
A Sebastian
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