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1. Re: ECI-EN Digest, Vol 75, Issue 5 (Roger Breton)
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Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 09:05:20 -0400
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Maybe we should make a test together? You send me a CSF and I send you a
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 7:59 AM
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Still leaves the question unanswered. Is it possible to include the
profiles within the CSF to make it portable for installation. Otherwise
there is no reason why the profiles characterisation data are in there?
A portable CSF-file would be easier to distribute than a CSF +
Datum: tisdag 16 augusti 2016 12:09
?mne: Re: [ECI-EN] ECI-EN Digest, Vol 75, Issue 5
Re the difference in the file size of a Adobe .csf, this is often to do
with the file size of the profiles within the ?csf. For instance the
profiles produced using the highest quality settings in iProfiler are
around 8mb, which when saved in a .csf, will give a file size of 10mb!
So check the sizes of the CMYK profiles to see if they are different.
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1. Re: ECI-EN Digest, Vol 75, Issue 4 (Tobias Trofast)
2. Re: ECI-EN Digest, Vol 75, Issue 4 (Axel Robert)
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If I save two different CSF-files, one refering AdobeRGB and PSO Coated
v3, the other refering AdobeRGB and WAN-IFRAnewspaper26v5 they end up
beeing different in file size.
The former 2.2 mb, the later 1.4mb. PSO Coated v3 istself is 2.2mb, while
WAN-IFRAnewspaper26v5 is 1.4 mb. To me this could be an indicator that
CMYK profiles are indeed included in the CSF-file, while RGB are not, but
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1. Re: Problem with ISO Coated v2 300% (ECI) and InDesign CC
2. Re: Problem with ISO Coated v2 300% (ECI) and InDesign CC
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Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 06:32:13 -0400
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That?s not true, not in my experience. The Adobe Color Settings File
includes the ?name? of the profiles.
Unless I?ve been missing something all that time.
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: [ECI-EN] Problem with ISO Coated v2 300% (ECI) and
I was curious on your mention that:
?The CSF file can include ICC profiles embedded in it, which
makes it portable for not only containing color settings for Adobe
applications but also the ICC profiles referenced by those settings?
I never seen that but think that this would be very useful. How can
Datum: fredag 12 augusti 2016 17:48
?mne: Re: [ECI-EN] Problem with ISO Coated v2 300% (ECI) and InDesign
On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Louise Nylund
I have a problem with one ISO Coated v2 300% (ECI) that I have
from the ECI website. When I try to load it in InDesign, I get the
"Some parameters in the colour settings file could not be used.
values will be used instead."
I have asked Adobe, and they get the same error message with this
they cannot tell my anything about what is wrong since the colour
file is a third party product. They suggested I ask ECI.
I know a lot of people who use ISO Coated v2 300% (ECI) and have no
with it. But I do not know which versions of InDesign they are using.
Has anyone else here the same problem? Do you know if this has
do with the latest update to InDesign (InDesign CC 2015.4)?
I know this is an old colour settings file, but my graphic design
that I employ use it all the time, and I would like to be able to make
changes to their InDesign files and not mess anything up. If I can't
this file to work, is there an updated file that corresponds to ISO
I would be most grateful if anyone has some input.
This message is confusing because the "color settings file" i.e. a
*.csf is an Adobe format. So there's a bug here somewhere, because if
the problem is with the ICC profile (which is not a color settings
file) or with parsing that ICC profile, the error message is
sufficiently misleading that it's incorrect.
Exactly how are you loading this ICC profile in InDesign? There are
two ways: choosing the ICC profile in the working spaces:cmyk pop-up
menu, choosing an Adobe color settings file using the Load button in
the Color settings dialog (the button that appears under the Cancel
button). The CSF file can include ICC profiles embedded in it, which
makes it portable for not only containing color settings for Adobe
applications but also the ICC profiles referenced by those settings.
So what I'm getting at is there might be a parsing problem with the
CSF, in which case the question becomes what's the origin of that CSF?
What created it (application and version)?
If the problem happens only when loading the ICC profile in the
working spaces pop-up, it still sounds like an Adobe bug because this
is an ICC profile that's been around for a long time. I don't think
the answer you've received is good enough, but then I also don't
really understand the exact problem reproduce steps either.
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Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 12:54:48 +0200
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Imho Chris get it confused with the embedding profiles to images.
> That?s not true, not in my experience. The Adobe Color Settings
> includes the ?name? of the profiles.
> Unless I?ve been missing something all that time.
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 3:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [ECI-EN] Problem with ISO Coated v2 300% (ECI) and
> I was curious on your mention that:
> ?The CSF file can include ICC profiles embedded in it, which
> makes it portable for not only containing color settings for Adobe
> applications but also the ICC profiles referenced by those settings?
> I never seen that but think that this would be very useful. How can
> Datum: fredag 12 augusti 2016 17:48
> ?mne: Re: [ECI-EN] Problem with ISO Coated v2 300% (ECI) and
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Louise Nylund
> I have a problem with one ISO Coated v2 300% (ECI) that I have
> from the ECI website. When I try to load it in InDesign, I get the
> "Some parameters in the colour settings file could not be used.
> values will be used instead."
> I have asked Adobe, and they get the same error message with this
> they cannot tell my anything about what is wrong since the colour
> file is a third party product. They suggested I ask ECI.
> I know a lot of people who use ISO Coated v2 300% (ECI) and have no
> with it. But I do not know which versions of InDesign they are
> Has anyone else here the same problem? Do you know if this has
> do with the latest update to InDesign (InDesign CC 2015.4)?
> I know this is an old colour settings file, but my graphic design
> that I employ use it all the time, and I would like to be able to
> changes to their InDesign files and not mess anything up. If I
> this file to work, is there an updated file that corresponds to ISO
> I would be most grateful if anyone has some input.
> This message is confusing because the "color settings file" i.e. a
> *.csf is an Adobe format. So there's a bug here somewhere, because
> the problem is with the ICC profile (which is not a color settings
> file) or with parsing that ICC profile, the error message is
> sufficiently misleading that it's incorrect.
> Exactly how are you loading this ICC profile in InDesign? There are
> two ways: choosing the ICC profile in the working spaces:cmyk pop-up
> menu, choosing an Adobe color settings file using the Load button in
> the Color settings dialog (the button that appears under the Cancel
> button). The CSF file can include ICC profiles embedded in it, which
> makes it portable for not only containing color settings for Adobe
> applications but also the ICC profiles referenced by those settings.
> So what I'm getting at is there might be a parsing problem with the
> CSF, in which case the question becomes what's the origin of that
> What created it (application and version)?
> If the problem happens only when loading the ICC profile in the
> working spaces pop-up, it still sounds like an Adobe bug because
> is an ICC profile that's been around for a long time. I don't think
> the answer you've received is good enough, but then I also don't
> really understand the exact problem reproduce steps either.
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 09:40:36 +0000
Subject: Re: [ECI-EN] ECI-EN Digest, Vol 75, Issue 4
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Just change the extension name by txt and open it in Preview mode.
You will be able to see at the end bottom all the characterization data
In my opinion only the CMYK profiles are included?
Date: lundi 15 ao?t 2016 13:16
Subject: Re: [ECI-EN] ECI-EN Digest, Vol 75, Issue 4
If I save two different CSF-files, one refering AdobeRGB and PSO Coated
v3, the other refering AdobeRGB and WAN-IFRAnewspaper26v5 they end up
beeing different in file size.
The former 2.2 mb, the later 1.4mb. PSO Coated v3 istself is 2.2mb, while
WAN-IFRAnewspaper26v5 is 1.4 mb. To me this could be an indicator that
CMYK profiles are indeed included in the CSF-file, while RGB are not, but
Lecturer Graphic Production
Phone: +46 (0)11-36 31 96
Visiting address: Campus Norrk?ping, House K2
ssoftware.com> on behalf of
ssoftware.com> on behalf of
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1. Re: Problem with ISO Coated v2 300% (ECI) and InDesign CC
2. Re: Problem with ISO Coated v2 300% (ECI) and InDesign CC
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Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 06:32:13 -0400
Subject: Re: [ECI-EN] Problem with ISO Coated v2 300% (ECI) and
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
That?s not true, not in my experience. The Adobe Color Settings File
includes the ?name? of the profiles.
Unless I?ve been missing something all that time.
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: [ECI-EN] Problem with ISO Coated v2 300% (ECI) and
I was curious on your mention that:
?The CSF file can include ICC profiles embedded in it, which
makes it portable for not only containing color settings for Adobe
applications but also the ICC profiles referenced by those settings?
I never seen that but think that this would be very useful. How can
Datum: fredag 12 augusti 2016 17:48
?mne: Re: [ECI-EN] Problem with ISO Coated v2 300% (ECI) and InDesign
On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Louise Nylund
I have a problem with one ISO Coated v2 300% (ECI) that I have
from the ECI website. When I try to load it in InDesign, I get the
"Some parameters in the colour settings file could not be used.
values will be used instead."
I have asked Adobe, and they get the same error message with this
they cannot tell my anything about what is wrong since the colour
file is a third party product. They suggested I ask ECI.
I know a lot of people who use ISO Coated v2 300% (ECI) and have no
with it. But I do not know which versions of InDesign they are using.
Has anyone else here the same problem? Do you know if this has
do with the latest update to InDesign (InDesign CC 2015.4)?
I know this is an old colour settings file, but my graphic design
that I employ use it all the time, and I would like to be able to make
changes to their InDesign files and not mess anything up. If I can't
this file to work, is there an updated file that corresponds to ISO
I would be most grateful if anyone has some input.
This message is confusing because the "color settings file" i.e. a
*.csf is an Adobe format. So there's a bug here somewhere, because if
the problem is with the ICC profile (which is not a color settings
file) or with parsing that ICC profile, the error message is
sufficiently misleading that it's incorrect.
Exactly how are you loading this ICC profile in InDesign? There are
two ways: choosing the ICC profile in the working spaces:cmyk pop-up
menu, choosing an Adobe color settings file using the Load button in
the Color settings dialog (the button that appears under the Cancel
button). The CSF file can include ICC profiles embedded in it, which
makes it portable for not only containing color settings for Adobe
applications but also the ICC profiles referenced by those settings.
So what I'm getting at is there might be a parsing problem with the
CSF, in which case the question becomes what's the origin of that CSF?
What created it (application and version)?
If the problem happens only when loading the ICC profile in the
working spaces pop-up, it still sounds like an Adobe bug because this
is an ICC profile that's been around for a long time. I don't think
the answer you've received is good enough, but then I also don't
really understand the exact problem reproduce steps either.
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Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 12:54:48 +0200
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Imho Chris get it confused with the embedding profiles to images.
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Roger Breton
> That?s not true, not in my experience. The Adobe Color Settings
> includes the ?name? of the profiles.
> Unless I?ve been missing something all that time.
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 3:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [ECI-EN] Problem with ISO Coated v2 300% (ECI) and
> I was curious on your mention that:
> ?The CSF file can include ICC profiles embedded in it, which
> makes it portable for not only containing color settings for Adobe
> applications but also the ICC profiles referenced by those settings?
> I never seen that but think that this would be very useful. How can
ssoftware.com>> on behalf of Chris Murphy
> Datum: fredag 12 augusti 2016 17:48
> ?mne: Re: [ECI-EN] Problem with ISO Coated v2 300% (ECI) and
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Louise Nylund
> I have a problem with one ISO Coated v2 300% (ECI) that I have
> from the ECI website. When I try to load it in InDesign, I get the
> "Some parameters in the colour settings file could not be used.
> values will be used instead."
> I have asked Adobe, and they get the same error message with this
> they cannot tell my anything about what is wrong since the colour
> file is a third party product. They suggested I ask ECI.
> I know a lot of people who use ISO Coated v2 300% (ECI) and have no
> with it. But I do not know which versions of InDesign they are
> Has anyone else here the same problem? Do you know if this has
> do with the latest update to InDesign (InDesign CC 2015.4)?
> I know this is an old colour settings file, but my graphic design
> that I employ use it all the time, and I would like to be able to
> changes to their InDesign files and not mess anything up. If I
> this file to work, is there an updated file that corresponds to ISO
> I would be most grateful if anyone has some input.
> This message is confusing because the "color settings file" i.e. a
> *.csf is an Adobe format. So there's a bug here somewhere, because
> the problem is with the ICC profile (which is not a color settings
> file) or with parsing that ICC profile, the error message is
> sufficiently misleading that it's incorrect.
> Exactly how are you loading this ICC profile in InDesign? There are
> two ways: choosing the ICC profile in the working spaces:cmyk pop-up
> menu, choosing an Adobe color settings file using the Load button in
> the Color settings dialog (the button that appears under the Cancel
> button). The CSF file can include ICC profiles embedded in it, which
> makes it portable for not only containing color settings for Adobe
> applications but also the ICC profiles referenced by those settings.
> So what I'm getting at is there might be a parsing problem with the
> CSF, in which case the question becomes what's the origin of that
> What created it (application and version)?
> If the problem happens only when loading the ICC profile in the
> working spaces pop-up, it still sounds like an Adobe bug because
> is an ICC profile that's been around for a long time. I don't think
> the answer you've received is good enough, but then I also don't
> really understand the exact problem reproduce steps either.
> _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
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